[Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson

Caesar Paul caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 29 10:59:06 EST 2010


Rummy,

Amen!  You may not know who Moses is, but you sure preached like Moses (kinda kidding).

As I follow this discussion, and reflect on the comments I often hear about our youth; it appears as if they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.  And that cannot be fair.

We sailors all know the beauty, the wonder, the power, the unpredictability, the mystery, and the magnificence of the sea. And some of us have heard the irresistible call of the sea.  It appears to me that this teenager has heard that irresistible call, and has been blessed with the means to respond to that call.  The key here is "blessed with the means to respond."

Older and wiser mariners have had encounters with Tankers and other huge objects at sea, some irremovable.  She survived and has not been scared into quitting.  Bravo to her!

I would argue that we have to be cautious about attempting to put a cap on our children's noble dreams, regardless of how noble they are.  Our founding fathers dreamt and took great risk, and look at what it produced for us!

Let me get back to coaching my teenager about cleaning his room, and managing his laundry.

Caesar


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From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 5:51:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson

Ben,

I've never met this Moses you talk about. Is he another Rhodes owner? (just 
kidding people). 
Age is not the issue here. The sex of the person is not the issue. When you 
have a will to try something that is extremely difficult and not within 
the  capabilities of most people, AND it's well thought out, well financed and 
doesn't inflict any damage on anyone else, I say you should be able to do 
it.  Growing up in Wisconsin I was fortunate to attend a summer YMCA camp. 
It was one  of the best times of my life. I learned important skills such as 
canoeing,  taking long (2 week) canoe trips, sailing, fishing, swimming, 
using a diving  bell, horsemanship, archery and.22 cal target shooting.
All of those experiences were things I had never done before. My life  
probably wasn't in tremendous danger doing any of those, but I learned a whole  
new set of skills. Things that have made me a better person today. Don't 
bridle  our youth. Exploration is as old as man. Yes, this one is extreme and 
out of the  norm, but don't prevent her from doing it.

Rummy


In a message dated 1/28/2010 2:53:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bencittadino at gmail.com writes:


Rummy;

I would like to zero in on what I believe the  most interesting part of this
story is. If we were talking about a  competent (meaning mentally competent)
adult then I'm with you all the way.  People ought to be able, without
interference from anyone, to take risks  and have adventures so long as they
don't endanger others. My problem comes  from the idea of children getting
into things that are inherently  dangerous. Being a lawyer, I've been in the
"line drawing" business most of  my life; at least I've been in the business
of figuring out where the line  is ,or ought to be in the realm of human
activity. Does society, the  government if you will, have any responsibility
to protect children from  their own folly, or the folly of their parents?
Ever? I'll bet there are  many things we could agree that ought to be 
illegal
for children, even  smart, trained, skilled children. I'll bet we could 
agree
about an age that  would be just too young to let that child try to sail
alone around the  world. So where should the government draw that line?
Should parents always  have the last word? I can see that since 18 is the 
age
of "majority" in  most jurisdictions, and this kid is almost 17, that
somebody might make the  judgment to let her try to sail around the world
alone. However, I do think  myself that it is irresponsible and creates a
greater risk of involving the  sea rescue resources of many countries than
seems reasonable. I would draw  the line at 18 years. Would you draw any 
line
at all or just judge each  case on an ad hoc basis? Can agree that Moses'
mother was guilty of child  abuse casting him off to float away in a reed
basket down the  river??

Best,

BenC 




R22RumRunner  wrote:
> 
> John,
>  
> The bottle gets put away  2130 hours on weekdays and stays out all 
weekend.  
> I'm usually  up pretty early because it's the only time of the day I can
> get  
> any  real work accomplished without interruptions from either  the wife 
or 
> my  phone.
> This isn't about the haves and  the have knots. This is a simple pursuit 
to  
> accomplish  something that is extremely difficult and beyond the means 
and  
>  abilities of most people. Why should you, or anyone for that matter, 
have  
> the  power to prevent her from doing this? She has a right to do  this. 
She
> has 
> the  right to either succeed or fail  without you or anyone else telling
> her 
> she can't  at  least attempt this.
> I will now step down from the soap  box.
>  
> Rummy
>  
>  
> In a  message dated 1/27/2010 7:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>  jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
> 
> 
> Rummy,
> 
>  If I remember correctly the only Rhodie on  enforced meds was the  dearly
> departed Mr. Ed. Since the time stamp on your  post was  4:31 am I will 
> assume
> you were pretty far down the bottle at  that  time and so will overlook
> your
> error as such. Also  isn't this the same  sailor Hank-5 (not sure) wrote 
>  about
> some months ago soliciting funds for  repairs because she  came off second
> best playing bumper cars with a  freighter?  Obviously her home schooling
> (which I consider an oxymoron by  the way) didn't include a copy of 
> Chapman's
> Piloting. I agree  with Ben C on  this one, jail her parents for child
> endangerment.  If their address was in  a trailer park, child and youth
> services  would already be involved. I am  sick of seeing the haves
>  thumbing
> their noses at the rules that are shoved  down my throat  everyday. It's 
> about
> time they got a taste of there own  medicine.
> 
> John Shulick
> 
> Here is where Mr. Ed  would say were all  socialists anyway
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> R22RumRunner wrote:
>> 
>>  I think  someone forgot to take their meds today.
>> Before you judge  someone, try learning a little something about them. 
> She  
>> is  doing her school lessons and sends them by email and fax  to her
>>  parents.  
>> Haven't you ever heard of  home schooling?  
>>  
>> Rummy
>>  
>>  
>> In a  message dated 1/26/2010 8:33:04  P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>>  jsbudda at verizon.net  writes:
>> 
>> 
>> The  lesson this  spoiled brat will learn is that she is above the  
rules
>>  established for normal people in this country. Check me if I'm  wrong  

> but
>> don't 16 yr. olds have to go to  high school. O I'm sorry  that's  only
>> required for  people who can't buy their way out of  the system. See 
>>  Tiger
>> Woods for more examples of sticking your  finger up the  laws ass. If  I
>> smashed up a car while on  prescription  meds what do you think would 
>> happen?
>> Could I  tell the law when I will decide to meet with them or would  I  
be
>>  hauled off to the nearest hospital foe a blood test. The  lesson she 
>>  learns
>> will be that rules don't  apply to her. 
>> 
>>  
>> R22RumRunner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ben,
>>>  The life  lessons this "little" girl will  have when she finishes  
this
>>> voyage 
>>>  will benefit her for  an  entire lifetime. Nothing wrong with being 
>>>  independent  and  being able to do things for oneself. I'm  sure that
>>> her
>>>  parents  
>>> would never  have allowed her to do this if  she  wasn't  qualified. 
She 
>> must
>>> have  
>>>  tremendous  sailing  skills.
>>>  
>>>  Rummy
>>>  
>>>  
>>> In  a  message  dated 1/26/2010 11:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>>>  bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rummy,  Ben &  Chris;
>>> 
>>> Please tell me you guys are  just  jerkin' my  chain. You don't really 
>>  think
>>>  it's OK to send a child to sea  alone  in a quest for...what?...some  
>> stupid
>>>  "record". Maybe we should  stock  her up  with plenty of Mt.  Gay? I 
have
>>> real
>>>  problems  with our  "celebrity"  culture and this case just pushes    
my
>>> buttons
>>> for some reason. Don't worry,  I'll  get over  it as soon as the 
> medicine 
>>>  kicks
>>>  in.  
>>> 
>>>  BenC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Hey I  think it  is great, beats joy riding with a bunch  of  drunk  18
>>>> year
>>>>  old
>>>>  boyfriends.
>>>>  
>>>>  Chris
>>>> 
>>>>  -----Original    Message-----
>>>> From:    rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>    [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of    
Benjamin
>>>>  Cittadino
>>>> Sent: Monday,  January  25,  2010 11:11
>>>> To:    rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>  Subject:  [Rhodes22-list]  Jessica  Watson
>>>>  
>>>>    
>>>> 
>>>>  Does anybody else think the  parents of  this  child should be  in 
jail?
>>>> 
>>>>    
>>>>  
>>>>  BenCittadino
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>    
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