[Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
Ben Schultz
benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
Fri Jan 29 11:11:19 EST 2010
Are you all speaking of Edwin Moses? I remember watching that guy run in
the Olympics. I'm not familiar with the story of his childhood thought.
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Caesar Paul
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:59
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
Rummy,
Amen! You may not know who Moses is, but you sure preached like Moses
(kinda kidding).
As I follow this discussion, and reflect on the comments I often hear about
our youth; it appears as if they are damned if they do and damned if they
don't. And that cannot be fair.
We sailors all know the beauty, the wonder, the power, the unpredictability,
the mystery, and the magnificence of the sea. And some of us have heard the
irresistible call of the sea. It appears to me that this teenager has heard
that irresistible call, and has been blessed with the means to respond to
that call. The key here is "blessed with the means to respond."
Older and wiser mariners have had encounters with Tankers and other huge
objects at sea, some irremovable. She survived and has not been scared into
quitting. Bravo to her!
I would argue that we have to be cautious about attempting to put a cap on
our children's noble dreams, regardless of how noble they are. Our founding
fathers dreamt and took great risk, and look at what it produced for us!
Let me get back to coaching my teenager about cleaning his room, and
managing his laundry.
Caesar
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From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 5:51:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
Ben,
I've never met this Moses you talk about. Is he another Rhodes owner? (just
kidding people).
Age is not the issue here. The sex of the person is not the issue. When you
have a will to try something that is extremely difficult and not within
the capabilities of most people, AND it's well thought out, well financed
and
doesn't inflict any damage on anyone else, I say you should be able to do
it. Growing up in Wisconsin I was fortunate to attend a summer YMCA camp.
It was one of the best times of my life. I learned important skills such as
canoeing, taking long (2 week) canoe trips, sailing, fishing, swimming,
using a diving bell, horsemanship, archery and.22 cal target shooting.
All of those experiences were things I had never done before. My life
probably wasn't in tremendous danger doing any of those, but I learned a
whole
new set of skills. Things that have made me a better person today. Don't
bridle our youth. Exploration is as old as man. Yes, this one is extreme
and
out of the norm, but don't prevent her from doing it.
Rummy
In a message dated 1/28/2010 2:53:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
Rummy;
I would like to zero in on what I believe the most interesting part of this
story is. If we were talking about a competent (meaning mentally competent)
adult then I'm with you all the way. People ought to be able, without
interference from anyone, to take risks and have adventures so long as they
don't endanger others. My problem comes from the idea of children getting
into things that are inherently dangerous. Being a lawyer, I've been in the
"line drawing" business most of my life; at least I've been in the business
of figuring out where the line is ,or ought to be in the realm of human
activity. Does society, the government if you will, have any responsibility
to protect children from their own folly, or the folly of their parents?
Ever? I'll bet there are many things we could agree that ought to be
illegal
for children, even smart, trained, skilled children. I'll bet we could
agree
about an age that would be just too young to let that child try to sail
alone around the world. So where should the government draw that line?
Should parents always have the last word? I can see that since 18 is the
age
of "majority" in most jurisdictions, and this kid is almost 17, that
somebody might make the judgment to let her try to sail around the world
alone. However, I do think myself that it is irresponsible and creates a
greater risk of involving the sea rescue resources of many countries than
seems reasonable. I would draw the line at 18 years. Would you draw any
line
at all or just judge each case on an ad hoc basis? Can agree that Moses'
mother was guilty of child abuse casting him off to float away in a reed
basket down the river??
Best,
BenC
R22RumRunner wrote:
>
> John,
>
> The bottle gets put away 2130 hours on weekdays and stays out all
weekend.
> I'm usually up pretty early because it's the only time of the day I can
> get
> any real work accomplished without interruptions from either the wife
or
> my phone.
> This isn't about the haves and the have knots. This is a simple pursuit
to
> accomplish something that is extremely difficult and beyond the means
and
> abilities of most people. Why should you, or anyone for that matter,
have
> the power to prevent her from doing this? She has a right to do this.
She
> has
> the right to either succeed or fail without you or anyone else telling
> her
> she can't at least attempt this.
> I will now step down from the soap box.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 1/27/2010 7:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>
>
> Rummy,
>
> If I remember correctly the only Rhodie on enforced meds was the dearly
> departed Mr. Ed. Since the time stamp on your post was 4:31 am I will
> assume
> you were pretty far down the bottle at that time and so will overlook
> your
> error as such. Also isn't this the same sailor Hank-5 (not sure) wrote
> about
> some months ago soliciting funds for repairs because she came off second
> best playing bumper cars with a freighter? Obviously her home schooling
> (which I consider an oxymoron by the way) didn't include a copy of
> Chapman's
> Piloting. I agree with Ben C on this one, jail her parents for child
> endangerment. If their address was in a trailer park, child and youth
> services would already be involved. I am sick of seeing the haves
> thumbing
> their noses at the rules that are shoved down my throat everyday. It's
> about
> time they got a taste of there own medicine.
>
> John Shulick
>
> Here is where Mr. Ed would say were all socialists anyway
>
>
>
>
>
> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>
>> I think someone forgot to take their meds today.
>> Before you judge someone, try learning a little something about them.
> She
>> is doing her school lessons and sends them by email and fax to her
>> parents.
>> Haven't you ever heard of home schooling?
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/26/2010 8:33:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>>
>>
>> The lesson this spoiled brat will learn is that she is above the
rules
>> established for normal people in this country. Check me if I'm wrong
> but
>> don't 16 yr. olds have to go to high school. O I'm sorry that's only
>> required for people who can't buy their way out of the system. See
>> Tiger
>> Woods for more examples of sticking your finger up the laws ass. If I
>> smashed up a car while on prescription meds what do you think would
>> happen?
>> Could I tell the law when I will decide to meet with them or would I
be
>> hauled off to the nearest hospital foe a blood test. The lesson she
>> learns
>> will be that rules don't apply to her.
>>
>>
>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>
>>> Ben,
>>> The life lessons this "little" girl will have when she finishes
this
>>> voyage
>>> will benefit her for an entire lifetime. Nothing wrong with being
>>> independent and being able to do things for oneself. I'm sure that
>>> her
>>> parents
>>> would never have allowed her to do this if she wasn't qualified.
She
>> must
>>> have
>>> tremendous sailing skills.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/26/2010 11:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Rummy, Ben & Chris;
>>>
>>> Please tell me you guys are just jerkin' my chain. You don't really
>> think
>>> it's OK to send a child to sea alone in a quest for...what?...some
>> stupid
>>> "record". Maybe we should stock her up with plenty of Mt. Gay? I
have
>>> real
>>> problems with our "celebrity" culture and this case just pushes
my
>>> buttons
>>> for some reason. Don't worry, I'll get over it as soon as the
> medicine
>>> kicks
>>> in.
>>>
>>> BenC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey I think it is great, beats joy riding with a bunch of drunk 18
>>>> year
>>>> old
>>>> boyfriends.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Benjamin
>>>> Cittadino
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:11
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody else think the parents of this child should be in
jail?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BenCittadino
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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