[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2109, Issue 1
Jim Lamos
firstwind at verizon.net
Fri Jan 29 20:00:26 EST 2010
Just what the world needs, another lawyer trying to run other peoples
lives!!!!
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> 1. Re: elle's ice photos (Rick)
> 2. Re: Jessica Watson (BenCittadino)
> 3. Re: Jessica Watson (Andrew Collins)
> 4. Re: Jessica Watson (Rick)
> 5. Re: Jessica Watson (Todd Tavares)
> 6. Rigging clevis pin & chainplate size (Ellyn and Sam Moore)
> 7. Re: Jessica Watson (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
> 8. Re: Jessica Watson (Caesar Paul)
> 9. Re: Jessica Watson (Ben Schultz)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:51:12 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] elle's ice photos
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> Elle,
>
> That's more like it.
>
> Warm thoughts,
> Rick
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:02 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, Rick. I'll try to do better..... ;^)
>> Here's one for you....
>> elle
>> (Look at the bottom)
>>
>> Beer is good....people are crazy
>>
>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recycled '06"Watermusic" {Lady in Red}
>>
>> --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] elle's ice photos
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:41 PM
>>
>> Elle,
>>
>> Just awful.
>>
>> If you can't take a picture of water not suited for a sailboat boat, you
>> shouldn't take a picture ;>)
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:53:08 -0800 (PST)
> From: BenCittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>
> Rummy;
>
> I would like to zero in on what I believe the most interesting part of
> this
> story is. If we were talking about a competent (meaning mentally
> competent)
> adult then I'm with you all the way. People ought to be able, without
> interference from anyone, to take risks and have adventures so long as
> they
> don't endanger others. My problem comes from the idea of children getting
> into things that are inherently dangerous. Being a lawyer, I've been in
> the
> "line drawing" business most of my life; at least I've been in the
> business
> of figuring out where the line is ,or ought to be in the realm of human
> activity. Does society, the government if you will, have any
> responsibility
> to protect children from their own folly, or the folly of their parents?
> Ever? I'll bet there are many things we could agree that ought to be
> illegal
> for children, even smart, trained, skilled children. I'll bet we could
> agree
> about an age that would be just too young to let that child try to sail
> alone around the world. So where should the government draw that line?
> Should parents always have the last word? I can see that since 18 is the
> age
> of "majority" in most jurisdictions, and this kid is almost 17, that
> somebody might make the judgment to let her try to sail around the world
> alone. However, I do think myself that it is irresponsible and creates a
> greater risk of involving the sea rescue resources of many countries than
> seems reasonable. I would draw the line at 18 years. Would you draw any
> line
> at all or just judge each case on an ad hoc basis? Can agree that Moses'
> mother was guilty of child abuse casting him off to float away in a reed
> basket down the river??
>
> Best,
>
> BenC
>
>
>
>
> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> The bottle gets put away 2130 hours on weekdays and stays out all
>> weekend.
>> I'm usually up pretty early because it's the only time of the day I can
>> get
>> any real work accomplished without interruptions from either the wife or
>> my phone.
>> This isn't about the haves and the have knots. This is a simple pursuit
>> to
>> accomplish something that is extremely difficult and beyond the means and
>> abilities of most people. Why should you, or anyone for that matter, have
>> the power to prevent her from doing this? She has a right to do this.
>> She
>> has
>> the right to either succeed or fail without you or anyone else telling
>> her
>> she can't at least attempt this.
>> I will now step down from the soap box.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/27/2010 7:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>>
>>
>> Rummy,
>>
>> If I remember correctly the only Rhodie on enforced meds was the dearly
>> departed Mr. Ed. Since the time stamp on your post was 4:31 am I will
>> assume
>> you were pretty far down the bottle at that time and so will overlook
>> your
>> error as such. Also isn't this the same sailor Hank-5 (not sure) wrote
>> about
>> some months ago soliciting funds for repairs because she came off second
>> best playing bumper cars with a freighter? Obviously her home schooling
>> (which I consider an oxymoron by the way) didn't include a copy of
>> Chapman's
>> Piloting. I agree with Ben C on this one, jail her parents for child
>> endangerment. If their address was in a trailer park, child and youth
>> services would already be involved. I am sick of seeing the haves
>> thumbing
>> their noses at the rules that are shoved down my throat everyday. It's
>> about
>> time they got a taste of there own medicine.
>>
>> John Shulick
>>
>> Here is where Mr. Ed would say were all socialists anyway
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>
>>> I think someone forgot to take their meds today.
>>> Before you judge someone, try learning a little something about them.
>> She
>>> is doing her school lessons and sends them by email and fax to her
>>> parents.
>>> Haven't you ever heard of home schooling?
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/26/2010 8:33:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> The lesson this spoiled brat will learn is that she is above the
>>> rules
>>> established for normal people in this country. Check me if I'm wrong
>> but
>>> don't 16 yr. olds have to go to high school. O I'm sorry that's only
>>> required for people who can't buy their way out of the system. See
>>> Tiger
>>> Woods for more examples of sticking your finger up the laws ass. If I
>>> smashed up a car while on prescription meds what do you think would
>>> happen?
>>> Could I tell the law when I will decide to meet with them or would I
>>> be
>>> hauled off to the nearest hospital foe a blood test. The lesson she
>>> learns
>>> will be that rules don't apply to her.
>>>
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ben,
>>>> The life lessons this "little" girl will have when she finishes this
>>>> voyage
>>>> will benefit her for an entire lifetime. Nothing wrong with being
>>>> independent and being able to do things for oneself. I'm sure that
>>>> her
>>>> parents
>>>> would never have allowed her to do this if she wasn't qualified. She
>>> must
>>>> have
>>>> tremendous sailing skills.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 1/26/2010 11:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rummy, Ben & Chris;
>>>>
>>>> Please tell me you guys are just jerkin' my chain. You don't really
>>> think
>>>> it's OK to send a child to sea alone in a quest for...what?...some
>>> stupid
>>>> "record". Maybe we should stock her up with plenty of Mt. Gay? I
>>>> have
>>>> real
>>>> problems with our "celebrity" culture and this case just pushes my
>>>> buttons
>>>> for some reason. Don't worry, I'll get over it as soon as the
>> medicine
>>>> kicks
>>>> in.
>>>>
>>>> BenC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey I think it is great, beats joy riding with a bunch of drunk 18
>>>>> year
>>>>> old
>>>>> boyfriends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin
>>>>> Cittadino
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:11
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody else think the parents of this child should be in
>>>>> jail?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BenCittadino
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:06:04 -0500
> From: Andrew Collins <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Ben et alia,
>
> An interesting issue for those with boats and children. I read Jessica's
> blog and felt it had been edited by professionals. The pictures of the
> boat,
> the fit out, the equipment and the heavy duty corporate sponsors on the
> home
> page all point to the fact that this is much more than just an adventure
> for
> a 16 year old kid. This is all profesh.
> The only reason she survived a full capsize was because this boat has been
> prepared for the worst by the top talent using top equipment. The result
> of
> the capsizing was a bent stanchion holding up the solar panels, the head
> broke into pieces and she was bruised all over. These sponsoring
> corporations have made this possible.
> In light of the above and being the parent of a 13 year old girl (she is a
> triplet and has two 13 year old brothers) I just cannot see how her
> parents
> allowed and supported their daughter in this "adventure'. The risk of
> losing
> this adolescent child at sea are just too high.
> What calculation could this family possibly have made that leads to a
> definite positive outcome with the risks as high as they are? She has to
> sleep, can't stand watch 24/7, relies on auto-pilots and all kinds of
> other
> equipment to survive. A simple failure could be disastrous or expensive if
> a
> rescue at sea were required.
> You can only have a kid once. If they die they are gone.
>
> I agree that 18 is the minimum age for majority, and then they can decide
> if
> they want to be dare devils, and they will, but adolescent brains are just
> not that good at evaluating risk. It has something to do with that frisson
> of pleasure that danger releases from the amygdala. Some people never
> become
> risk-averse, my 84 year old father is really actually only 17 years old.
> He
> is a lot of fun, but every time my sister calls I just can't wait to hear
> what he did this time. It does wear on you.
>
> Getting back to Jessica, her parents then do a fly over in a plane to have
> a
> look. So first they cut her loose, and then they hover. I wonder who paid
> for the plane ride.
>
> I say let'em have fun, but this is too extreme for my taste.
>
> Andrew C.
> sv Carmen
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:53 PM, BenCittadino
> <bencittadino at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Rummy;
>>
>> I would like to zero in on what I believe the most interesting part of
>> this
>> story is. If we were talking about a competent (meaning mentally
>> competent)
>> adult then I'm with you all the way. People ought to be able, without
>> interference from anyone, to take risks and have adventures so long as
>> they
>> don't endanger others. My problem comes from the idea of children getting
>> into things that are inherently dangerous. Being a lawyer, I've been in
>> the
>> "line drawing" business most of my life; at least I've been in the
>> business
>> of figuring out where the line is ,or ought to be in the realm of human
>> activity. Does society, the government if you will, have any
>> responsibility
>> to protect children from their own folly, or the folly of their parents?
>> Ever? I'll bet there are many things we could agree that ought to be
>> illegal
>> for children, even smart, trained, skilled children. I'll bet we could
>> agree
>> about an age that would be just too young to let that child try to sail
>> alone around the world. So where should the government draw that line?
>> Should parents always have the last word? I can see that since 18 is the
>> age
>> of "majority" in most jurisdictions, and this kid is almost 17, that
>> somebody might make the judgment to let her try to sail around the world
>> alone. However, I do think myself that it is irresponsible and creates a
>> greater risk of involving the sea rescue resources of many countries than
>> seems reasonable. I would draw the line at 18 years. Would you draw any
>> line
>> at all or just judge each case on an ad hoc basis? Can agree that Moses'
>> mother was guilty of child abuse casting him off to float away in a reed
>> basket down the river??
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> BenC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > The bottle gets put away 2130 hours on weekdays and stays out all
>> weekend.
>> > I'm usually up pretty early because it's the only time of the day I can
>> > get
>> > any real work accomplished without interruptions from either the wife
>> > or
>> > my phone.
>> > This isn't about the haves and the have knots. This is a simple pursuit
>> to
>> > accomplish something that is extremely difficult and beyond the means
>> > and
>> > abilities of most people. Why should you, or anyone for that matter,
>> > have
>> > the power to prevent her from doing this? She has a right to do this.
>> She
>> > has
>> > the right to either succeed or fail without you or anyone else telling
>> > her
>> > she can't at least attempt this.
>> > I will now step down from the soap box.
>> >
>> > Rummy
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message dated 1/27/2010 7:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> > jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > Rummy,
>> >
>> > If I remember correctly the only Rhodie on enforced meds was the
>> > dearly
>> > departed Mr. Ed. Since the time stamp on your post was 4:31 am I will
>> > assume
>> > you were pretty far down the bottle at that time and so will overlook
>> > your
>> > error as such. Also isn't this the same sailor Hank-5 (not sure) wrote
>> > about
>> > some months ago soliciting funds for repairs because she came off
>> > second
>> > best playing bumper cars with a freighter? Obviously her home
>> > schooling
>> > (which I consider an oxymoron by the way) didn't include a copy of
>> > Chapman's
>> > Piloting. I agree with Ben C on this one, jail her parents for child
>> > endangerment. If their address was in a trailer park, child and youth
>> > services would already be involved. I am sick of seeing the haves
>> > thumbing
>> > their noses at the rules that are shoved down my throat everyday. It's
>> > about
>> > time they got a taste of there own medicine.
>> >
>> > John Shulick
>> >
>> > Here is where Mr. Ed would say were all socialists anyway
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think someone forgot to take their meds today.
>> >> Before you judge someone, try learning a little something about them.
>> > She
>> >> is doing her school lessons and sends them by email and fax to her
>> >> parents.
>> >> Haven't you ever heard of home schooling?
>> >>
>> >> Rummy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In a message dated 1/26/2010 8:33:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >> jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The lesson this spoiled brat will learn is that she is above the
>> rules
>> >> established for normal people in this country. Check me if I'm wrong
>> > but
>> >> don't 16 yr. olds have to go to high school. O I'm sorry that's only
>> >> required for people who can't buy their way out of the system. See
>> >> Tiger
>> >> Woods for more examples of sticking your finger up the laws ass. If
>> >> I
>> >> smashed up a car while on prescription meds what do you think would
>> >> happen?
>> >> Could I tell the law when I will decide to meet with them or would I
>> be
>> >> hauled off to the nearest hospital foe a blood test. The lesson she
>> >> learns
>> >> will be that rules don't apply to her.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ben,
>> >>> The life lessons this "little" girl will have when she finishes
>> >>> this
>> >>> voyage
>> >>> will benefit her for an entire lifetime. Nothing wrong with being
>> >>> independent and being able to do things for oneself. I'm sure that
>> >>> her
>> >>> parents
>> >>> would never have allowed her to do this if she wasn't qualified.
>> >>> She
>> >> must
>> >>> have
>> >>> tremendous sailing skills.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rummy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> In a message dated 1/26/2010 11:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >>> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Rummy, Ben & Chris;
>> >>>
>> >>> Please tell me you guys are just jerkin' my chain. You don't
>> >>> really
>> >> think
>> >>> it's OK to send a child to sea alone in a quest for...what?...some
>> >> stupid
>> >>> "record". Maybe we should stock her up with plenty of Mt. Gay? I
>> have
>> >>> real
>> >>> problems with our "celebrity" culture and this case just pushes
>> >>> my
>> >>> buttons
>> >>> for some reason. Don't worry, I'll get over it as soon as the
>> > medicine
>> >>> kicks
>> >>> in.
>> >>>
>> >>> BenC
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Geankoplis wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hey I think it is great, beats joy riding with a bunch of drunk
>> >>>> 18
>> >>>> year
>> >>>> old
>> >>>> boyfriends.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Chris
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> Benjamin
>> >>>> Cittadino
>> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:11
>> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does anybody else think the parents of this child should be in
>> jail?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> BenCittadino
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> __________________________________________________
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>
>> >>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:21:32 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID:
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> BenC,
>
> For most of human history and still in many cultures today, "the age of
> majority" for women is 13. For the West African culture I lived in during
> my Peace Corps service, most "girls" of 17 or 18 were well on their way to
> having their second child.
>
> It is all in the upbringing. I'm not suggesting teenagers in our culture
> should generally be considered adults. But when the expectation is set at
> birth, teens can handle adult decisions and responsibility quite well.
>
> Rick
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:53 PM, BenCittadino
> <bencittadino at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Rummy;
>>
>> I would like to zero in on what I believe the most interesting part of
>> this
>> story is. If we were talking about a competent (meaning mentally
>> competent)
>> adult then I'm with you all the way. People ought to be able, without
>> interference from anyone, to take risks and have adventures so long as
>> they
>> don't endanger others. My problem comes from the idea of children getting
>> into things that are inherently dangerous. Being a lawyer, I've been in
>> the
>> "line drawing" business most of my life; at least I've been in the
>> business
>> of figuring out where the line is ,or ought to be in the realm of human
>> activity. Does society, the government if you will, have any
>> responsibility
>> to protect children from their own folly, or the folly of their parents?
>> Ever? I'll bet there are many things we could agree that ought to be
>> illegal
>> for children, even smart, trained, skilled children. I'll bet we could
>> agree
>> about an age that would be just too young to let that child try to sail
>> alone around the world. So where should the government draw that line?
>> Should parents always have the last word? I can see that since 18 is the
>> age
>> of "majority" in most jurisdictions, and this kid is almost 17, that
>> somebody might make the judgment to let her try to sail around the world
>> alone. However, I do think myself that it is irresponsible and creates a
>> greater risk of involving the sea rescue resources of many countries than
>> seems reasonable. I would draw the line at 18 years. Would you draw any
>> line
>> at all or just judge each case on an ad hoc basis? Can agree that Moses'
>> mother was guilty of child abuse casting him off to float away in a reed
>> basket down the river??
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> BenC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > The bottle gets put away 2130 hours on weekdays and stays out all
>> weekend.
>> > I'm usually up pretty early because it's the only time of the day I can
>> > get
>> > any real work accomplished without interruptions from either the wife
>> > or
>> > my phone.
>> > This isn't about the haves and the have knots. This is a simple pursuit
>> to
>> > accomplish something that is extremely difficult and beyond the means
>> > and
>> > abilities of most people. Why should you, or anyone for that matter,
>> > have
>> > the power to prevent her from doing this? She has a right to do this.
>> She
>> > has
>> > the right to either succeed or fail without you or anyone else telling
>> > her
>> > she can't at least attempt this.
>> > I will now step down from the soap box.
>> >
>> > Rummy
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message dated 1/27/2010 7:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> > jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > Rummy,
>> >
>> > If I remember correctly the only Rhodie on enforced meds was the
>> > dearly
>> > departed Mr. Ed. Since the time stamp on your post was 4:31 am I will
>> > assume
>> > you were pretty far down the bottle at that time and so will overlook
>> > your
>> > error as such. Also isn't this the same sailor Hank-5 (not sure) wrote
>> > about
>> > some months ago soliciting funds for repairs because she came off
>> > second
>> > best playing bumper cars with a freighter? Obviously her home
>> > schooling
>> > (which I consider an oxymoron by the way) didn't include a copy of
>> > Chapman's
>> > Piloting. I agree with Ben C on this one, jail her parents for child
>> > endangerment. If their address was in a trailer park, child and youth
>> > services would already be involved. I am sick of seeing the haves
>> > thumbing
>> > their noses at the rules that are shoved down my throat everyday. It's
>> > about
>> > time they got a taste of there own medicine.
>> >
>> > John Shulick
>> >
>> > Here is where Mr. Ed would say were all socialists anyway
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think someone forgot to take their meds today.
>> >> Before you judge someone, try learning a little something about them.
>> > She
>> >> is doing her school lessons and sends them by email and fax to her
>> >> parents.
>> >> Haven't you ever heard of home schooling?
>> >>
>> >> Rummy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In a message dated 1/26/2010 8:33:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >> jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The lesson this spoiled brat will learn is that she is above the
>> rules
>> >> established for normal people in this country. Check me if I'm wrong
>> > but
>> >> don't 16 yr. olds have to go to high school. O I'm sorry that's only
>> >> required for people who can't buy their way out of the system. See
>> >> Tiger
>> >> Woods for more examples of sticking your finger up the laws ass. If
>> >> I
>> >> smashed up a car while on prescription meds what do you think would
>> >> happen?
>> >> Could I tell the law when I will decide to meet with them or would I
>> be
>> >> hauled off to the nearest hospital foe a blood test. The lesson she
>> >> learns
>> >> will be that rules don't apply to her.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ben,
>> >>> The life lessons this "little" girl will have when she finishes
>> >>> this
>> >>> voyage
>> >>> will benefit her for an entire lifetime. Nothing wrong with being
>> >>> independent and being able to do things for oneself. I'm sure that
>> >>> her
>> >>> parents
>> >>> would never have allowed her to do this if she wasn't qualified.
>> >>> She
>> >> must
>> >>> have
>> >>> tremendous sailing skills.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rummy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> In a message dated 1/26/2010 11:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >>> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Rummy, Ben & Chris;
>> >>>
>> >>> Please tell me you guys are just jerkin' my chain. You don't
>> >>> really
>> >> think
>> >>> it's OK to send a child to sea alone in a quest for...what?...some
>> >> stupid
>> >>> "record". Maybe we should stock her up with plenty of Mt. Gay? I
>> have
>> >>> real
>> >>> problems with our "celebrity" culture and this case just pushes
>> >>> my
>> >>> buttons
>> >>> for some reason. Don't worry, I'll get over it as soon as the
>> > medicine
>> >>> kicks
>> >>> in.
>> >>>
>> >>> BenC
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Geankoplis wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hey I think it is great, beats joy riding with a bunch of drunk
>> >>>> 18
>> >>>> year
>> >>>> old
>> >>>> boyfriends.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Chris
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> Benjamin
>> >>>> Cittadino
>> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:11
>> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does anybody else think the parents of this child should be in
>> jail?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> BenCittadino
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> __________________________________________________
>> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>> >>>>
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>> > archives
>> >>>> go
>> >>>> to
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>> >>>>
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>> > archives
>> >>>> go
>> >>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> View this message in context:
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> http://old.nabble.com/Looking-for-a-Rhodes22-in-SW-Mihcigan-tp27047182p27325551.html
>> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>>
>> >>> __________________________________________________
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>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >
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>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:42:12 -0500
> From: Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Message-ID: <8CC6E9308133F5A-11DC-10EB at web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
>
> Ben has probably never been to Australia. Those Aussies are all tough
> cookies. That 16 year old girl could probably kick Ben's hind parts. LOL
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:21 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
>
>
> BenC,
>
> For most of human history and still in many cultures today, "the age of
> majority" for women is 13. For the West African culture I lived in during
> my Peace Corps service, most "girls" of 17 or 18 were well on their way to
> having their second child.
>
> It is all in the upbringing. I'm not suggesting teenagers in our culture
> should generally be considered adults. But when the expectation is set at
> birth, teens can handle adult decisions and responsibility quite well.
>
> Rick
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:53 PM, BenCittadino
> <bencittadino at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Rummy;
>>
>> I would like to zero in on what I believe the most interesting part of
>> this
>> story is. If we were talking about a competent (meaning mentally
>> competent)
>> adult then I'm with you all the way. People ought to be able, without
>> interference from anyone, to take risks and have adventures so long as
>> they
>> don't endanger others. My problem comes from the idea of children getting
>> into things that are inherently dangerous. Being a lawyer, I've been in
>> the
>> "line drawing" business most of my life; at least I've been in the
>> business
>> of figuring out where the line is ,or ought to be in the realm of human
>> activity. Does society, the government if you will, have any
>> responsibility
>> to protect children from their own folly, or the folly of their parents?
>> Ever? I'll bet there are many things we could agree that ought to be
>> illegal
>> for children, even smart, trained, skilled children. I'll bet we could
>> agree
>> about an age that would be just too young to let that child try to sail
>> alone around the world. So where should the government draw that line?
>> Should parents always have the last word? I can see that since 18 is the
>> age
>> of "majority" in most jurisdictions, and this kid is almost 17, that
>> somebody might make the judgment to let her try to sail around the world
>> alone. However, I do think myself that it is irresponsible and creates a
>> greater risk of involving the sea rescue resources of many countries than
>> seems reasonable. I would draw the line at 18 years. Would you draw any
>> line
>> at all or just judge each case on an ad hoc basis? Can agree that Moses'
>> mother was guilty of child abuse casting him off to float away in a reed
>> basket down the river??
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> BenC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > The bottle gets put away 2130 hours on weekdays and stays out all
>> weekend.
>> > I'm usually up pretty early because it's the only time of the day I can
>> > get
>> > any real work accomplished without interruptions from either the wife
>> > or
>> > my phone.
>> > This isn't about the haves and the have knots. This is a simple pursuit
>> to
>> > accomplish something that is extremely difficult and beyond the means
>> > and
>> > abilities of most people. Why should you, or anyone for that matter,
>> > have
>> > the power to prevent her from doing this? She has a right to do this.
>> She
>> > has
>> > the right to either succeed or fail without you or anyone else telling
>> > her
>> > she can't at least attempt this.
>> > I will now step down from the soap box.
>> >
>> > Rummy
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message dated 1/27/2010 7:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> > jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > Rummy,
>> >
>> > If I remember correctly the only Rhodie on enforced meds was the
>> > dearly
>> > departed Mr. Ed. Since the time stamp on your post was 4:31 am I will
>> > assume
>> > you were pretty far down the bottle at that time and so will overlook
>> > your
>> > error as such. Also isn't this the same sailor Hank-5 (not sure) wrote
>> > about
>> > some months ago soliciting funds for repairs because she came off
>> > second
>> > best playing bumper cars with a freighter? Obviously her home
>> > schooling
>> > (which I consider an oxymoron by the way) didn't include a copy of
>> > Chapman's
>> > Piloting. I agree with Ben C on this one, jail her parents for child
>> > endangerment. If their address was in a trailer park, child and youth
>> > services would already be involved. I am sick of seeing the haves
>> > thumbing
>> > their noses at the rules that are shoved down my throat everyday. It's
>> > about
>> > time they got a taste of there own medicine.
>> >
>> > John Shulick
>> >
>> > Here is where Mr. Ed would say were all socialists anyway
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think someone forgot to take their meds today.
>> >> Before you judge someone, try learning a little something about them.
>> > She
>> >> is doing her school lessons and sends them by email and fax to her
>> >> parents.
>> >> Haven't you ever heard of home schooling?
>> >>
>> >> Rummy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In a message dated 1/26/2010 8:33:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >> jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The lesson this spoiled brat will learn is that she is above the
>> rules
>> >> established for normal people in this country. Check me if I'm wrong
>> > but
>> >> don't 16 yr. olds have to go to high school. O I'm sorry that's only
>> >> required for people who can't buy their way out of the system. See
>> >> Tiger
>> >> Woods for more examples of sticking your finger up the laws ass. If
>> >> I
>> >> smashed up a car while on prescription meds what do you think would
>> >> happen?
>> >> Could I tell the law when I will decide to meet with them or would I
>> be
>> >> hauled off to the nearest hospital foe a blood test. The lesson she
>> >> learns
>> >> will be that rules don't apply to her.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ben,
>> >>> The life lessons this "little" girl will have when she finishes
>> >>> this
>> >>> voyage
>> >>> will benefit her for an entire lifetime. Nothing wrong with being
>> >>> independent and being able to do things for oneself. I'm sure that
>> >>> her
>> >>> parents
>> >>> would never have allowed her to do this if she wasn't qualified.
>> >>> She
>> >> must
>> >>> have
>> >>> tremendous sailing skills.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rummy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> In a message dated 1/26/2010 11:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >>> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Rummy, Ben & Chris;
>> >>>
>> >>> Please tell me you guys are just jerkin' my chain. You don't
>> >>> really
>> >> think
>> >>> it's OK to send a child to sea alone in a quest for...what?...some
>> >> stupid
>> >>> "record". Maybe we should stock her up with plenty of Mt. Gay? I
>> have
>> >>> real
>> >>> problems with our "celebrity" culture and this case just pushes
>> >>> my
>> >>> buttons
>> >>> for some reason. Don't worry, I'll get over it as soon as the
>> > medicine
>> >>> kicks
>> >>> in.
>> >>>
>> >>> BenC
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Geankoplis wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hey I think it is great, beats joy riding with a bunch of drunk
>> >>>> 18
>> >>>> year
>> >>>> old
>> >>>> boyfriends.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Chris
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> Benjamin
>> >>>> Cittadino
>> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:11
>> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does anybody else think the parents of this child should be in
>> jail?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> BenCittadino
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> __________________________________________________
>> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>> >>>>
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>> > archives
>> >>>> go
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>> go
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
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>> >>> View this message in context:
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> http://old.nabble.com/Looking-for-a-Rhodes22-in-SW-Mihcigan-tp27047182p27325551.html
>> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>>
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>> >>
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> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:44:21 -0500
> From: "Ellyn and Sam Moore" <smoore at cat4.net>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rigging clevis pin & chainplate size
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> Hi, all,
> Does it matter that all the shrouds and stays on my '77 Continental have
> 3/16 pins, but all nine chainplates have what appears to be 3/8 holes?
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:51:31 EST
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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>
> Ben,
>
> I've never met this Moses you talk about. Is he another Rhodes owner?
> (just
> kidding people).
> Age is not the issue here. The sex of the person is not the issue. When
> you
> have a will to try something that is extremely difficult and not within
> the capabilities of most people, AND it's well thought out, well financed
> and
> doesn't inflict any damage on anyone else, I say you should be able to do
> it. Growing up in Wisconsin I was fortunate to attend a summer YMCA camp.
> It was one of the best times of my life. I learned important skills such
> as
> canoeing, taking long (2 week) canoe trips, sailing, fishing, swimming,
> using a diving bell, horsemanship, archery and.22 cal target shooting.
> All of those experiences were things I had never done before. My life
> probably wasn't in tremendous danger doing any of those, but I learned a
> whole
> new set of skills. Things that have made me a better person today. Don't
> bridle our youth. Exploration is as old as man. Yes, this one is extreme
> and
> out of the norm, but don't prevent her from doing it.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 1/28/2010 2:53:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Rummy;
>
> I would like to zero in on what I believe the most interesting part of
> this
> story is. If we were talking about a competent (meaning mentally
> competent)
> adult then I'm with you all the way. People ought to be able, without
> interference from anyone, to take risks and have adventures so long as
> they
> don't endanger others. My problem comes from the idea of children getting
> into things that are inherently dangerous. Being a lawyer, I've been in
> the
> "line drawing" business most of my life; at least I've been in the
> business
> of figuring out where the line is ,or ought to be in the realm of human
> activity. Does society, the government if you will, have any
> responsibility
> to protect children from their own folly, or the folly of their parents?
> Ever? I'll bet there are many things we could agree that ought to be
> illegal
> for children, even smart, trained, skilled children. I'll bet we could
> agree
> about an age that would be just too young to let that child try to sail
> alone around the world. So where should the government draw that line?
> Should parents always have the last word? I can see that since 18 is the
> age
> of "majority" in most jurisdictions, and this kid is almost 17, that
> somebody might make the judgment to let her try to sail around the world
> alone. However, I do think myself that it is irresponsible and creates a
> greater risk of involving the sea rescue resources of many countries than
> seems reasonable. I would draw the line at 18 years. Would you draw any
> line
> at all or just judge each case on an ad hoc basis? Can agree that Moses'
> mother was guilty of child abuse casting him off to float away in a reed
> basket down the river??
>
> Best,
>
> BenC
>
>
>
>
> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> The bottle gets put away 2130 hours on weekdays and stays out all
> weekend.
>> I'm usually up pretty early because it's the only time of the day I can
>> get
>> any real work accomplished without interruptions from either the wife
> or
>> my phone.
>> This isn't about the haves and the have knots. This is a simple pursuit
> to
>> accomplish something that is extremely difficult and beyond the means
> and
>> abilities of most people. Why should you, or anyone for that matter,
> have
>> the power to prevent her from doing this? She has a right to do this.
> She
>> has
>> the right to either succeed or fail without you or anyone else telling
>> her
>> she can't at least attempt this.
>> I will now step down from the soap box.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/27/2010 7:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>>
>>
>> Rummy,
>>
>> If I remember correctly the only Rhodie on enforced meds was the
>> dearly
>> departed Mr. Ed. Since the time stamp on your post was 4:31 am I will
>> assume
>> you were pretty far down the bottle at that time and so will overlook
>> your
>> error as such. Also isn't this the same sailor Hank-5 (not sure) wrote
>> about
>> some months ago soliciting funds for repairs because she came off
>> second
>> best playing bumper cars with a freighter? Obviously her home schooling
>> (which I consider an oxymoron by the way) didn't include a copy of
>> Chapman's
>> Piloting. I agree with Ben C on this one, jail her parents for child
>> endangerment. If their address was in a trailer park, child and youth
>> services would already be involved. I am sick of seeing the haves
>> thumbing
>> their noses at the rules that are shoved down my throat everyday. It's
>> about
>> time they got a taste of there own medicine.
>>
>> John Shulick
>>
>> Here is where Mr. Ed would say were all socialists anyway
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>
>>> I think someone forgot to take their meds today.
>>> Before you judge someone, try learning a little something about them.
>> She
>>> is doing her school lessons and sends them by email and fax to her
>>> parents.
>>> Haven't you ever heard of home schooling?
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/26/2010 8:33:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> The lesson this spoiled brat will learn is that she is above the
> rules
>>> established for normal people in this country. Check me if I'm wrong
>
>> but
>>> don't 16 yr. olds have to go to high school. O I'm sorry that's only
>>> required for people who can't buy their way out of the system. See
>>> Tiger
>>> Woods for more examples of sticking your finger up the laws ass. If I
>>> smashed up a car while on prescription meds what do you think would
>>> happen?
>>> Could I tell the law when I will decide to meet with them or would I
> be
>>> hauled off to the nearest hospital foe a blood test. The lesson she
>>> learns
>>> will be that rules don't apply to her.
>>>
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ben,
>>>> The life lessons this "little" girl will have when she finishes
> this
>>>> voyage
>>>> will benefit her for an entire lifetime. Nothing wrong with being
>>>> independent and being able to do things for oneself. I'm sure that
>>>> her
>>>> parents
>>>> would never have allowed her to do this if she wasn't qualified.
> She
>>> must
>>>> have
>>>> tremendous sailing skills.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 1/26/2010 11:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rummy, Ben & Chris;
>>>>
>>>> Please tell me you guys are just jerkin' my chain. You don't really
>>> think
>>>> it's OK to send a child to sea alone in a quest for...what?...some
>>> stupid
>>>> "record". Maybe we should stock her up with plenty of Mt. Gay? I
> have
>>>> real
>>>> problems with our "celebrity" culture and this case just pushes
> my
>>>> buttons
>>>> for some reason. Don't worry, I'll get over it as soon as the
>> medicine
>>>> kicks
>>>> in.
>>>>
>>>> BenC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey I think it is great, beats joy riding with a bunch of drunk
>>>>> 18
>>>>> year
>>>>> old
>>>>> boyfriends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Benjamin
>>>>> Cittadino
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:11
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody else think the parents of this child should be in
> jail?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BenCittadino
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:59:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Caesar Paul <caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <775069.45854.qm at web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Rummy,
>
> Amen!? You may not know who Moses is, but you sure preached like Moses
> (kinda kidding).
>
> As I follow this discussion, and reflect on the comments I often hear
> about our youth; it appears as if they are damned if they do and damned if
> they don't.? And that cannot be fair.
>
> We sailors all know the beauty, the wonder, the power, the
> unpredictability, the mystery, and the magnificence of the sea. And some
> of us have heard the irresistible call of the sea.? It appears to me that
> this teenager has heard that irresistible call, and has been blessed with
> the means to respond to that call.? The key here is "blessed with the
> means to respond."
>
> Older and wiser mariners have had encounters with Tankers and other huge
> objects at sea, some irremovable.? She survived and has not been scared
> into quitting.? Bravo to her!
>
> I would argue that we have to be cautious about attempting to put a cap on
> our children's noble dreams, regardless of how noble they are.? Our
> founding fathers dreamt and took great risk, and look at what it produced
> for us!
>
> Let me get back to coaching my teenager about cleaning his room, and
> managing his laundry.
>
> Caesar
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 5:51:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
>
> Ben,
>
> I've never met this Moses you talk about. Is he another Rhodes owner?
> (just
> kidding people).
> Age is not the issue here. The sex of the person is not the issue. When
> you
> have a will to try something that is extremely difficult and not within
> the? capabilities of most people, AND it's well thought out, well financed
> and
> doesn't inflict any damage on anyone else, I say you should be able to do
> it.? Growing up in Wisconsin I was fortunate to attend a summer YMCA camp.
> It was one? of the best times of my life. I learned important skills such
> as
> canoeing,? taking long (2 week) canoe trips, sailing, fishing, swimming,
> using a diving? bell, horsemanship, archery and.22 cal target shooting.
> All of those experiences were things I had never done before. My life?
> probably wasn't in tremendous danger doing any of those, but I learned a
> whole?
> new set of skills. Things that have made me a better person today. Don't
> bridle? our youth. Exploration is as old as man. Yes, this one is extreme
> and
> out of the? norm, but don't prevent her from doing it.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 1/28/2010 2:53:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Rummy;
>
> I would like to zero in on what I believe the? most interesting part of
> this
> story is. If we were talking about a? competent (meaning mentally
> competent)
> adult then I'm with you all the way.? People ought to be able, without
> interference from anyone, to take risks? and have adventures so long as
> they
> don't endanger others. My problem comes? from the idea of children getting
> into things that are inherently? dangerous. Being a lawyer, I've been in
> the
> "line drawing" business most of? my life; at least I've been in the
> business
> of figuring out where the line? is ,or ought to be in the realm of human
> activity. Does society, the? government if you will, have any
> responsibility
> to protect children from? their own folly, or the folly of their parents?
> Ever? I'll bet there are? many things we could agree that ought to be
> illegal
> for children, even? smart, trained, skilled children. I'll bet we could
> agree
> about an age that? would be just too young to let that child try to sail
> alone around the? world. So where should the government draw that line?
> Should parents always? have the last word? I can see that since 18 is the
> age
> of "majority" in? most jurisdictions, and this kid is almost 17, that
> somebody might make the? judgment to let her try to sail around the world
> alone. However, I do think? myself that it is irresponsible and creates a
> greater risk of involving the? sea rescue resources of many countries than
> seems reasonable. I would draw? the line at 18 years. Would you draw any
> line
> at all or just judge each? case on an ad hoc basis? Can agree that Moses'
> mother was guilty of child? abuse casting him off to float away in a reed
> basket down the? river??
>
> Best,
>
> BenC
>
>
>
>
> R22RumRunner? wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>?
>> The bottle gets put away? 2130 hours on weekdays and stays out all
> weekend.?
>> I'm usually? up pretty early because it's the only time of the day I can
>> get?
>> any? real work accomplished without interruptions from either? the wife
> or
>> my? phone.
>> This isn't about the haves and? the have knots. This is a simple pursuit
> to?
>> accomplish? something that is extremely difficult and beyond the means
> and?
>>? abilities of most people. Why should you, or anyone for that matter,
> have?
>> the? power to prevent her from doing this? She has a right to do? this.
> She
>> has
>> the? right to either succeed or fail? without you or anyone else telling
>> her
>> she can't? at? least attempt this.
>> I will now step down from the soap? box.
>>?
>> Rummy
>>?
>>?
>> In a? message dated 1/27/2010 7:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
>>? jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>>
>>
>> Rummy,
>>
>>? If I remember correctly the only Rhodie on? enforced meds was the?
>>dearly
>> departed Mr. Ed. Since the time stamp on your? post was? 4:31 am I will
>> assume
>> you were pretty far down the bottle at? that? time and so will overlook
>> your
>> error as such. Also? isn't this the same? sailor Hank-5 (not sure) wrote
>>? about
>> some months ago soliciting funds for? repairs because she? came off
>> second
>> best playing bumper cars with a? freighter?? Obviously her home schooling
>> (which I consider an oxymoron by? the way) didn't include a copy of
>> Chapman's
>> Piloting. I agree? with Ben C on? this one, jail her parents for child
>> endangerment.? If their address was in? a trailer park, child and youth
>> services? would already be involved. I am? sick of seeing the haves
>>? thumbing
>> their noses at the rules that are shoved? down my throat? everyday. It's
>> about
>> time they got a taste of there own? medicine.
>>
>> John Shulick
>>
>> Here is where Mr. Ed? would say were all? socialists anyway
>>
>>
>>
>>?
>>
>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>
>>>? I think? someone forgot to take their meds today.
>>> Before you judge? someone, try learning a little something about them.
>> She?
>>> is? doing her school lessons and sends them by email and fax? to her
>>>? parents.?
>>> Haven't you ever heard of? home schooling??
>>>?
>>> Rummy
>>>?
>>>?
>>> In a? message dated 1/26/2010 8:33:04? P.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
>>>? jsbudda at verizon.net? writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> The? lesson this? spoiled brat will learn is that she is above the?
> rules
>>>? established for normal people in this country. Check me if I'm? wrong?
>
>> but
>>> don't 16 yr. olds have to go to? high school. O I'm sorry? that's? only
>>> required for? people who can't buy their way out of? the system. See
>>>? Tiger
>>> Woods for more examples of sticking your? finger up the? laws ass. If? I
>>> smashed up a car while on? prescription? meds what do you think would
>>> happen?
>>> Could I? tell the law when I will decide to meet with them or would? I?
> be
>>>? hauled off to the nearest hospital foe a blood test. The? lesson she
>>>? learns
>>> will be that rules don't? apply to her.
>>>
>>>?
>>> R22RumRunner? wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ben,
>>>>? The life? lessons this "little" girl will? have when she finishes?
> this
>>>> voyage
>>>>? will benefit her for? an? entire lifetime. Nothing wrong with being
>>>>? independent? and? being able to do things for oneself. I'm? sure that
>>>> her
>>>>? parents?
>>>> would never? have allowed her to do this if? she? wasn't? qualified.
> She
>>> must
>>>> have?
>>>>? tremendous? sailing? skills.
>>>>?
>>>>? Rummy
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>> In? a? message? dated 1/26/2010 11:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
>>>>? bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>> Rummy,? Ben &? Chris;
>>>>
>>>> Please tell me you guys are? just? jerkin' my? chain. You don't really
>>>? think
>>>>? it's OK to send a child to sea? alone? in a quest for...what?...some?
>>> stupid
>>>>? "record". Maybe we should? stock? her up? with plenty of Mt.? Gay? I
> have
>>>> real
>>>>? problems? with our? "celebrity"? culture and this case just pushes? ?
> my
>>>> buttons
>>>> for some reason. Don't worry,? I'll? get over? it as soon as the
>> medicine
>>>>? kicks
>>>>? in.?
>>>>
>>>>? BenC
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>? Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>?
>>>>> Hey I? think it? is great, beats joy riding with a bunch? of? drunk?
>>>>> 18
>>>>> year
>>>>>? old
>>>>>? boyfriends.
>>>>>?
>>>>>? Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>? -----Original? ? Message-----
>>>>> From:? ? rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>? ? [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of? ?
> Benjamin
>>>>>? Cittadino
>>>>> Sent: Monday,? January? 25,? 2010 11:11
>>>>> To:? ? rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>? Subject:? [Rhodes22-list]? Jessica? Watson
>>>>>?
>>>>>? ?
>>>>>
>>>>>? Does anybody else think the? parents of? this? child should be? in
> jail?
>>>>>
>>>>>? ?
>>>>>?
>>>>>? BenCittadino
>>>>>?
>>>>>?
>>>>>?
>>>>>? ?
>>>>>?
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> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:11:19 -0600
> From: "Ben Schultz" <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Are you all speaking of Edwin Moses? I remember watching that guy run in
> the Olympics. I'm not familiar with the story of his childhood thought.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Caesar Paul
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:59
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
>
> Rummy,
>
> Amen!? You may not know who Moses is, but you sure preached like Moses
> (kinda kidding).
>
> As I follow this discussion, and reflect on the comments I often hear
> about
> our youth; it appears as if they are damned if they do and damned if they
> don't.? And that cannot be fair.
>
> We sailors all know the beauty, the wonder, the power, the
> unpredictability,
> the mystery, and the magnificence of the sea. And some of us have heard
> the
> irresistible call of the sea.? It appears to me that this teenager has
> heard
> that irresistible call, and has been blessed with the means to respond to
> that call.? The key here is "blessed with the means to respond."
>
> Older and wiser mariners have had encounters with Tankers and other huge
> objects at sea, some irremovable.? She survived and has not been scared
> into
> quitting.? Bravo to her!
>
> I would argue that we have to be cautious about attempting to put a cap on
> our children's noble dreams, regardless of how noble they are.? Our
> founding
> fathers dreamt and took great risk, and look at what it produced for us!
>
> Let me get back to coaching my teenager about cleaning his room, and
> managing his laundry.
>
> Caesar
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "R22RumRunner at aol.com" <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 5:51:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jessica Watson
>
> Ben,
>
> I've never met this Moses you talk about. Is he another Rhodes owner?
> (just
> kidding people).
> Age is not the issue here. The sex of the person is not the issue. When
> you
> have a will to try something that is extremely difficult and not within
> the? capabilities of most people, AND it's well thought out, well financed
> and
> doesn't inflict any damage on anyone else, I say you should be able to do
> it.? Growing up in Wisconsin I was fortunate to attend a summer YMCA camp.
> It was one? of the best times of my life. I learned important skills such
> as
>
> canoeing,? taking long (2 week) canoe trips, sailing, fishing, swimming,
> using a diving? bell, horsemanship, archery and.22 cal target shooting.
> All of those experiences were things I had never done before. My life?
> probably wasn't in tremendous danger doing any of those, but I learned a
> whole?
> new set of skills. Things that have made me a better person today. Don't
> bridle? our youth. Exploration is as old as man. Yes, this one is extreme
> and
> out of the? norm, but don't prevent her from doing it.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 1/28/2010 2:53:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Rummy;
>
> I would like to zero in on what I believe the? most interesting part of
> this
> story is. If we were talking about a? competent (meaning mentally
> competent)
> adult then I'm with you all the way.? People ought to be able, without
> interference from anyone, to take risks? and have adventures so long as
> they
> don't endanger others. My problem comes? from the idea of children getting
> into things that are inherently? dangerous. Being a lawyer, I've been in
> the
> "line drawing" business most of? my life; at least I've been in the
> business
> of figuring out where the line? is ,or ought to be in the realm of human
> activity. Does society, the? government if you will, have any
> responsibility
> to protect children from? their own folly, or the folly of their parents?
> Ever? I'll bet there are? many things we could agree that ought to be
> illegal
> for children, even? smart, trained, skilled children. I'll bet we could
> agree
> about an age that? would be just too young to let that child try to sail
> alone around the? world. So where should the government draw that line?
> Should parents always? have the last word? I can see that since 18 is the
> age
> of "majority" in? most jurisdictions, and this kid is almost 17, that
> somebody might make the? judgment to let her try to sail around the world
> alone. However, I do think? myself that it is irresponsible and creates a
> greater risk of involving the? sea rescue resources of many countries than
> seems reasonable. I would draw? the line at 18 years. Would you draw any
> line
> at all or just judge each? case on an ad hoc basis? Can agree that Moses'
> mother was guilty of child? abuse casting him off to float away in a reed
> basket down the? river??
>
> Best,
>
> BenC
>
>
>
>
> R22RumRunner? wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>?
>> The bottle gets put away? 2130 hours on weekdays and stays out all
> weekend.?
>> I'm usually? up pretty early because it's the only time of the day I can
>> get?
>> any? real work accomplished without interruptions from either? the wife
> or
>> my? phone.
>> This isn't about the haves and? the have knots. This is a simple pursuit
> to?
>> accomplish? something that is extremely difficult and beyond the means
> and?
>>? abilities of most people. Why should you, or anyone for that matter,
> have?
>> the? power to prevent her from doing this? She has a right to do? this.
> She
>> has
>> the? right to either succeed or fail? without you or anyone else telling
>> her
>> she can't? at? least attempt this.
>> I will now step down from the soap? box.
>>?
>> Rummy
>>?
>>?
>> In a? message dated 1/27/2010 7:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
>>? jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
>>
>>
>> Rummy,
>>
>>? If I remember correctly the only Rhodie on? enforced meds was the?
>>dearly
>> departed Mr. Ed. Since the time stamp on your? post was? 4:31 am I will
>> assume
>> you were pretty far down the bottle at? that? time and so will overlook
>> your
>> error as such. Also? isn't this the same? sailor Hank-5 (not sure) wrote
>>? about
>> some months ago soliciting funds for? repairs because she? came off
>> second
>> best playing bumper cars with a? freighter?? Obviously her home schooling
>> (which I consider an oxymoron by? the way) didn't include a copy of
>> Chapman's
>> Piloting. I agree? with Ben C on? this one, jail her parents for child
>> endangerment.? If their address was in? a trailer park, child and youth
>> services? would already be involved. I am? sick of seeing the haves
>>? thumbing
>> their noses at the rules that are shoved? down my throat? everyday. It's
>> about
>> time they got a taste of there own? medicine.
>>
>> John Shulick
>>
>> Here is where Mr. Ed? would say were all? socialists anyway
>>
>>
>>
>>?
>>
>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>
>>>? I think? someone forgot to take their meds today.
>>> Before you judge? someone, try learning a little something about them.
>> She?
>>> is? doing her school lessons and sends them by email and fax? to her
>>>? parents.?
>>> Haven't you ever heard of? home schooling??
>>>?
>>> Rummy
>>>?
>>>?
>>> In a? message dated 1/26/2010 8:33:04? P.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
>>>? jsbudda at verizon.net? writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> The? lesson this? spoiled brat will learn is that she is above the?
> rules
>>>? established for normal people in this country. Check me if I'm? wrong?
>
>> but
>>> don't 16 yr. olds have to go to? high school. O I'm sorry? that's? only
>>> required for? people who can't buy their way out of? the system. See
>>>? Tiger
>>> Woods for more examples of sticking your? finger up the? laws ass. If? I
>>> smashed up a car while on? prescription? meds what do you think would
>>> happen?
>>> Could I? tell the law when I will decide to meet with them or would? I?
> be
>>>? hauled off to the nearest hospital foe a blood test. The? lesson she
>>>? learns
>>> will be that rules don't? apply to her.
>>>
>>>?
>>> R22RumRunner? wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ben,
>>>>? The life? lessons this "little" girl will? have when she finishes?
> this
>>>> voyage
>>>>? will benefit her for? an? entire lifetime. Nothing wrong with being
>>>>? independent? and? being able to do things for oneself. I'm? sure that
>>>> her
>>>>? parents?
>>>> would never? have allowed her to do this if? she? wasn't? qualified.
> She
>>> must
>>>> have?
>>>>? tremendous? sailing? skills.
>>>>?
>>>>? Rummy
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>> In? a? message? dated 1/26/2010 11:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
>>>>? bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>> Rummy,? Ben &? Chris;
>>>>
>>>> Please tell me you guys are? just? jerkin' my? chain. You don't really
>>>? think
>>>>? it's OK to send a child to sea? alone? in a quest for...what?...some?
>>> stupid
>>>>? "record". Maybe we should? stock? her up? with plenty of Mt.? Gay? I
> have
>>>> real
>>>>? problems? with our? "celebrity"? culture and this case just pushes? ?
> my
>>>> buttons
>>>> for some reason. Don't worry,? I'll? get over? it as soon as the
>> medicine
>>>>? kicks
>>>>? in.?
>>>>
>>>>? BenC
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>? Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>?
>>>>> Hey I? think it? is great, beats joy riding with a bunch? of? drunk?
>>>>> 18
>>>>> year
>>>>>? old
>>>>>? boyfriends.
>>>>>?
>>>>>? Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>? -----Original? ? Message-----
>>>>> From:? ? rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>? ? [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of? ?
> Benjamin
>>>>>? Cittadino
>>>>> Sent: Monday,? January? 25,? 2010 11:11
>>>>> To:? ? rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>? Subject:? [Rhodes22-list]? Jessica? Watson
>>>>>?
>>>>>? ?
>>>>>
>>>>>? Does anybody else think the? parents of? this? child should be? in
> jail?
>>>>>
>>>>>? ?
>>>>>?
>>>>>? BenCittadino
>>>>>?
>>>>>?
>>>>>?
>>>>>? ?
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