[Rhodes22-list] OB Motors ( for Rummy)
Joe Camp
jjcampjr at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 22 08:08:38 EDT 2010
Rummy and Chris:
There seems to be a Freudian undertone in all of this "nut" talk. Can we switch to something more directly phallic, like "raising the mast?" Just a thought, but let's not hide our true natures...men.
Joe
--- On Tue, 6/22/10, R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
From: R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] OB Motors ( for Rummy)
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 7:57 AM
Wire nuts are not for marine use. I prefer soldered connections with shrink
tubing and then a layer of liquid electrical tape. I'm glad we dug a
little deeper into this subject.
Rummy
In a message dated 6/21/2010 1:35:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ccowie at cowieassociates.com writes:
Thanks for the advice. The nuts I was referring to are not the wing nuts
on the battery rather control wires from the outboard lift switch have wire
nuts that seem to come a bit loose every now and then. I plan to replace
them with a better quality crimp but joint.
Christopher P. Cowie
4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711
202.342.2691 fax
202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
cowieassociates.com
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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] OB Motors ( for Rummy)
Strictly speaking, wire nuts are not a good choice in a marine environment
since they do not form a gas-tight joint. You should use solder or
crimped
butt joints for more trouble free permanent wiring solutions. If you wish
to use wire nuts, simply make them gas-tight by adding a dielectric grease
to block corrosion during assembly of the joint. Loctite makes a good
quality grease which is available just about everywhere (MSC Direct is a
great source for this, stainless fasteners, tubing, etc,):
http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=3108381&PMT4NO=87953202
If you are in a salt environment, stay away from the conductive
"passivated"
greases (zinc or copper added) as they have been thought to cause some
galvanic activity that can degrade the wire joint. They're also a bit
more
costly.
If you want to try an old solution for the corrosion that usually works,
just paint some Vasoline around the joint to block corrosive vapors. It
may
not be hi-tech but it has worked well for years.
Make sure that the wires are real clean before joining, use a NEW wire nut
and paint some grease on for protection and your joints should last
several
seasons without trouble.
Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Monday, June 21, 2010 7:07 AM
> The nuts are fine. You probably need to clean the copper connectors on
the
> battery and the cable and tighten a little tighter than hand tight. Use
a
> small pair of pliers.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 6/20/2010 8:34:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ccowie at cowieassociates.com writes:
>
> My 2009 has a long shaft and electric lift. Stays in the water during
> high seas on the Chesapeake bay and doesn't drag when lifted. Motor
> casing touches the rail in the raised and tilted position. I have a
> yamaha 8 hp run the carberator dry and flush the cooling system with
> fresh water after each use. Runs great so far. The only trouble so
> far has been the electric switch looses power every now and then in
> the down position. Solution is to grab the wire nuts in the laz and
> give them a sqeeze. Kind of like kicking a computer when it doesn't
> work. I'm pretty sure wire nut connections on a boat are not a good
> idea and I should replace them.
>
> Chris Cowie
> Cowie Associates PC
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:17 PM, "R22RumRunner at aol.com"
<R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>> Again, it depends on the lift. If you are getting the standard
>> (non-motorized) lift, you will want the long shaft and deal with an
>> occasional drag.
>> (Maybe)You can tilt the motor once all the way up. It's not a big
>> deal. But
>> you want to keep the prop in the water while the engine is running.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/20/2010 4:00:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> jjcampjr at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Rummy:
>> I'll have the 7:1 lift. I do not get the boat until July 28; I
>> believe
>> it's manual, but I don't know for sure. Really, if the 20" is
>> going to
>> cavitate, I have no control over that. It does what it does,
>> right? What length
>> shaft do most Rhodes owners use? Thaks.
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 6/20/10, R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] OB Motors
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 3:31 PM
>>
>> Also,
>> Cavitation is not good for an outboard motor. It is hard on the
>> cooling
>> impeller (doesn't like running dry) and has been known to twist or
>> snap
>> crank
>> shafts.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/20/2010 1:22:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> jjcampjr at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> John:
>> The cavitating is something I can live with. OTOH (to borrow a
>> wonderful
>> acronym from you) the added drag when heeling to port would be a
>> PITA (to
>> borrow a wonderful acronym from Stan). I hadn't considered that,
>> and
>> your
>> advice has made my decision far easier.
>> Joe
>>
>> --- On Sun, 6/20/10, John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] OB Motors
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 12:00 PM
>>
>> Longer shaft will cavitate less in rough seas under power. OTOH,
>> longer shaft may drag the prop in the water when heeled over to port
>> under sail.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> John Lock
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>> On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:45, Joe Camp wrote:
>>> Hello; here's a probably easy question: In the realm of long
shaft
>>> OB motors, would a 25" shaft have any advantage over a 20" shaft?
>>> Thanks.
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