[Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and more!

[KUHN, LELAND]

dc,

I'd be surprised if all Rhodes aren't faster on one tack than the other
for the reason you mentioned.  I try to store everything on the
starboard side of the boat but I doubt that it compensates for the
weight of the motor and batteries.  To make matters worse my prop drags
in the water if I heel much on a starboard tack.

Nevertheless with enough wind I sometimes move faster on a starboard
tack, which probably means I'm not well-heeled (sail-wise and
money-wise) or well-trimmed for the best angle-of-attack when sailing on
a port tack.

I guess it's one of the reasons why railmeat is so important.  To quote
Rummy, "It's all about balance."  He may have been talking about the
balance between sobriety and inebriation but it works for sailing too.

Lee


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Rick:

I believe you are right.  I've seen about 5.6 in those conditions
single-handed.  I don't think I have the fastest boat in the fleet and
the bottom likely needs cleaning .  Also, my boat is faster on one
tack vs. the other.  I haven't quite figured that out yet-maybe the
rigging is out, but I think the port tack is faster because I have the
motor and rear battery on that side to help me ballast wise.
Additionally, my 175 is old and blown out and that is a disadvantage
because I am losing power due to heel.

Once I get this new 135% on the freshly bottomed boat, I will do some
experimenting in the same conditions and see what the result is...
hopefully a wash with just me on the boat.






Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:02:10 -0400
From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
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David,

You should be able to sail at hull speed with the 175 genny and IMF on a
broad reach single handed in 12 knots of wind.  Closer hauled, it takes
more
weight.

For the standard main, the PHRF for JAM comes out to a little over 200
seconds.  For the IMF, it is about 275, but only a measurement will give
you
a real number.

Rick

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:35 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:

> I think there is a misunderstanding here.  I have seen hull speed one
> time in my Rhodes.  That was with a Flying Scot jib tied on the my
> forestay in 20+ winds with one other person on board and we were both
> out on the rail.  It was an experiment we were doing that showed me
> that size doesn't matter when you have the wind.  Hold a hanky up in a
> hurricane for instance.
>
> I was referring to how the Portsmouth handicapping tables are
> calculated for the Rhodes 22 since it doesn't specify a sail plan for
> our boat.  I was just musing that I should be able to use any sails in
> a race and still be legal unless I can get the boat to plane and
> exceed hull speed.
>
> The UPS sail is good for two situations.  Very light winds when the
> 175% won't fly correctly.  The other is downwind as Lee says.
>
> I don't utilize the 175% enough, so I'm dropping it back to a 135 for
> working upwind and supplementing it with the UPS for lighter wind days
> when I would wish for something bigger.
>
> I think cruiser sailors are usually looking for the best compromise.
> If you are out in bays with room to maneuver, I still think the 175 is
> the way to go.  If you get to sail on beam and broad reaches a fair
> amount, I still think the 175 is the way to go.  If you want to run
> the jib inside the shrouds on windy days without have a big fat roll
> on the forestay, you may have to rethink it.  The money is the issue.
> I have 1100.00 more dollars invested then you do in your sails, but I
> have to do the later quite often.
>
> If you are looking to supplement the 175 or a smaller jib, the UPS
> works well.  The UPS sail requires a little more work to set up, but
> it is much easier to tack underway then the 175.  The 175 can be a big
> tent when the wind is light.  Also, the UPS will keep you from having
> to start the motor so often and you can make the most of the wind you
> have.  I can sail now when I couldn't before.  I haven't found it to
> be that much extra work.  You rig it on the days you need it and if
> the wind picks up, you drop it and use the genny.  It's just another
> tool in the bag to make our boat even more versatile.
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:02:33 -0400
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
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> Lee,
>
> Well, you're hearing from me.  Mainly because I'm cheap and lazy.
>
> The UPS is probably the easiest asymmetrical to deploy, but it is
still
> something extra to do.  I haven't found it any easier or faster than
my 175
> genny.
>
> Except sailing on a full downwind run with the UPS paired wing-on-wing
with
> the genny (forget the main).  Then you can go at wind speed until it
> exceeds
> hull speed.
>
> Given the infrequency of down wind runs during my usual day sails, I
wish I
> spent my $1000 on something more useful.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:45 AM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>
> > dc,
> >
> > I'm jealous!  I haven't heard from anyone who's regretted getting a
UPS.
> >
> > Good luck with the race.  My boat doesn't go hull speed most of the
time
> > and when it does I think it's more luck than skill.  Wind was
perfect
> today
> > and I couldn't get out.  I can go sailing tomorrow afternoon with a
wind
> > prediction of 1 mph.  Guess I could hit hull speed with the old iron
> genny.
> >
> > Lee
> > 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org on behalf of David Culp
> > Sent: Sun 5/16/2010 12:21 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and
more!
> >
> >
> >
> > I am updating our group about my new UPS sail that I have installed
> > this season as I said I would.  Today was one of those days where
the
> > wind is 10 knots and then it's 5.... Up and down, up and down.  Nary
a
> > problem-I was leaving a wake going down the lake most of the way.
And
> > it is fun too, because you can play it like a spinnaker if you want
> > to.  Sailing is always fun, but it was extra fun today!  Racing
> > tomorrow in light winds, should I tell them that it's an illegal
sail?
> >  Which reminds me... They are going to use Portsmouth handicapping
and
> > it doesn't specify the sail plan for our boat, so what is "illegal"?
> > Our boat will go hull speed and that's it most of the time.  The
skill
> > is in getting it there.... Right?
> >
> > dc
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