[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2222, Issue 1

Richard MacArthur Richard at MacArthurLawFirm.com
Wed May 26 12:50:51 EDT 2010


There's a picnic 17 sitting at a marina in new Baltimore Michigan. It's
used as an advertising gimmick with the marina name. I think it was
built by a local builder named Harold Stilson who builds boats as solid
as a tank. Although the boat has been sitting for years I'll bet it can
be restored if anyone were interested.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Alex McKenna)
   2. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Alex McKenna)
   3. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Alex McKenna)
   4. Re: Picnic 17 (Stephen Staum)
   5. Re: Happy 60th birthday to Rummy (elle)
   6. Re: Jib lines without roller question (Michael D. Weisner)
   7. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (John Shulick)
   8. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Saroj)
   9. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Michael D. Weisner)
  10. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (John Shulick)
  11. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Michael D. Weisner)
  12. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
  13. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Geankoplis)
  14. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
  15.  Knockdown (BenCittadino)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:16:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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The police picked up the driver a few minutes after the accident, they
intimated he was drinking, but said in CT they would be unable to
prosecute
a DUI since he was no longer in the car, I just moved here, and don't
know
the law. He has insurance through state farm, and actually came to our
house
to apologize on Sunday. He said he was driving home late from work, I
didn't
see any point in asking if he was drinking. English was not his native
language. He gave me his name and phone number, and offered to pay for
all
the damage. I showed him the pictures, he was astounded at the carnage. 

I am waiting for the police report.

I got the boat as a gift last year from a fellow in New Jersey, and was
on
the list then asking some questions about adapting my dual-axle aluminum
trailer, which is in very good shape, for the Rhodes. I welded up some
brackets, which worked fine for getting the boat home. I left it for the
winter, and was about to empty it out and start restoration this week, I
had
made space in the garage for the contents.

Stan is not familiar with the boat, although we were trying to visit
General
Boats on the drive up here from Florida.



>The good news is that the area that was hit hardest is probably one of
the 
>best areas to have damage.  The impact must have lifted the entire boat
and 
>trailer over the Honda's roof by the windshield, actually reducing the 
>potential damage by permitting the car to continue moving rather than 
>sustaining the force associated with arresting the car's motion.
Stresses 
>in this area are spread over a large area and the fiberglass is fairly
thin. 
>There are few structural components in this section other than the hull

>itself.  

This is good news.

>Did the damage impact the stern cockpit or just the laz?  Does the 
>damage extend to the area hidden by foam?  Is the cockpit floor
buckled? A 
>competent 'glass mechanic should be able to effect a solid repair if
the 
>damage is mostly to the hull.  Stan should be consulted.

I haven't been inside the boat yet, we have just finished removing all
the
dangerous debris, full of nails and glass fragments, to make the area
safer
for our two young children. I will try to look at all this.


>Assuming that you might have some difficulty with the Honda owner's 
>insurance company, do you have insurance coverage on the boat?  Does
your 
>auto insurance cover the damage since it was on the trailer (even if
not 
>hooked to your car?)  Were the boat and trailer registered with DMV?
How 
>about your homeowner's insurance coverage?

Our homeowner's insurance will cover only $1000 of the damage to the
boat.
We also have a $1000 deductible on the policy. The same company has our
car
insurance, but the trailer is still registered in FL, and no insurance
is
required in FL on the trailer. I have not registered the boat yet, as I
did
not know when I would have it restored enough to sail. The hope was this
summer.

The Honda driver is insured by state farm. 

The boat is an '81, like yours.

I am interested in doing the repairs myself, if possible. That was kind
of
the whole point in taking this sailboat, to enjoy restoring it so our
family
could enjoy it together, especially since our kids are young, 3 and 6. 

I appreciate everyone's help and encouragement. We will sail a Rhodes
22,
one way or another.

Alex

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:24:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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Hi Alex,
That is so sad! What a shame. Amazing that no one was killed.



>As for the boat, that doesn't look good at all. You really will need 
>to go through the entire boat to see if there is damage you are 
>missing before you can determine if it is worth fixing. Is the 
>centerboard trunk still intact? Are the bulkheads and stringers still 
>in place or is there hidden damage there? You'll also need to check 
>the hull on the opposite side from the blow to see if it is damaged 
>from contact with the trailer bunks.

I haven't been inside the boat yet, I will take a look as soon as I can.
The
boat did not appear to shift appreciably on the trailer, it was still
strapped on snugly, so perhaps there was little lateral damage. 

>If there is any insurance money, it might be worth sending to Stan - 
>he's fixed a lot of damage but I'd crawl around in it first before 
>even making that decision. It might be easier to junk it and find 
>another. If the damage turns out to be limited to the hull, it might 
>be fixable. There are probably plenty of places down on the coast if 
>your trailer is still operational.

Homeowner's insurance said they will only cover $1000 on the boat, and
there
is a $1000 deductible on the policy, I may have better luck pursuing it
with
his insurer.
The trailer was recently restored, and has all new running gear,
hanger's,
springs, bearings, surge brakes etc. So I could drive it somewhere to
have
it inspected for an estimate.

>If I remember correctly, this is an older boat. I guess the only 
>saving grace is that you had not put all the work into restoring it.

It's an '81, I am glad about that as well.

Thanks for your thoughts, 

Alex

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:26:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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>That's some story.  The Civic driver owes you all damages.  If he pays
up,
>you can have the work done professionally

That would be a terrific outcome!

Alex
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:31:13 -0400
From: Stephen Staum <staum at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Picnic 17
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Thanks Mary Lou, great pics!

Stephen Staum

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2010, at 11:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>  
wrote:

> A long while back we had a discussion about the Picnic 17, a
> predecessor of the Rhodes 22. At the time there didn't seem to be
> much info out there. I just came across this website and thought some
> of you might be interested.
>
> http://www.rvharvey.com/picnic.htm
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:37:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Happy 60th birthday to Rummy
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Happy BD. Rummy, a;beit a bit late. Been doing some heavy commuting
lately, so nto home in stretches...
Have another one for me..
elle

Beer is good....people are crazy

1992 Rhodes 22 ? ?Recycled '06"Watermusic" ?{Lady in Red}

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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy 60th birthday to Rummy
To: "Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 2:48 PM

Hi Rummy,

Happy 60th birthday!!? You made it!? I am right behind you, 57 on
Sunday.

Here, here, a toast (a few, actually):
? For all the advances in medicine, there is still no cure for the
common birthday. (John Glenn)

? I wanted to show I had balls at age 60. Just because society says I'm
old, doesn't mean that I am. I'm pursuing happiness, even if it makes
the people around me unhappy.? (Sylvester Stallone)
and my personal favorite:
? Age is strictly a case of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it
doesn't matter. Jack Benny)

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:20:42 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jib lines without roller question
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Lee,

When my girls were young we tried to teach them how to sail, starting
with 
the proper names for everything.  They and many of their friends
insisted on 
"pulling the ropes" (or worse, strings) when instructed to sheet in.  I 
still laugh about it.  Now that they are grown, I miss those sailings
spent 
playing with all of the ropes ...

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

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>
> Greg,
>
> Lots of ropes on my boat too.  Feel free to stop by if you're in 
> Annapolis.
>
> If you've never been to Rock Hall it's very quaint and interesting and

> well
> worth the visit if you happen to be in the neighborhood (the middle of
> nowhere).  You can see it from the Kent Narrows bridge and can get
there
> just about as fast with a slow-moving sailboat as you can by car.
>
> Lee
> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Kent Island, MD
>
>
> Mary Lou Troy-2 wrote:
>>
>> Greg,
>> We live about 3 miles from the boat so you are welcome most any time
>> we are in town. We are on the other side of the Bay from Baltimore
>> and Annapolis - about an hour and fifteen minutes from Annapolis
>> across the Bay Bridge, about the same distance from North East.
>>
>> The invitation goes for the rest of you. Always great to meet other
>> Rhodies.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> 1991 R22  Fretless
>> Rock Hall, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:25 AM 5/25/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>>Missed the thread with the link to the picture. Thanks!
>>>I am now around the Annapolis/Baltimore area frequently on business. 
>>>Maybe
> I
>>>could bother you one day when you are at your boat to show me the
ropes?
>>>
>>>-----
>>>Greg PA
>>>s/v SERENITY
>>>79 Rhodes 22
>>>North East MD
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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Alex,

 Sorry to see what has happened to your boat. I'm more sorry to say the
insurance bastards will probably screw you to the wall and give you next
to
nothing citing the age of the boat for their excuse.
Also because of the age stan may or may not even give you the time of
day as
he is not usually inclined to do anything for the owners of older rhodes
especially if he has not received his 5% homage. That being said it is
my
humble opinion that the damage is repairable if you have the time and
skill
and tools to do the job. Those tools and skills would include the
ability to
separate the hull from the deck at the rub rail (there is a joint there)
removing the deck and cockpit and working from the inside of the hull
rebuilding everything as you go then putting it all back together. Quite
a
project but doable. Might be cheaper to find another boat. I wish you
the
best of luck and hope all works out in the end.

John S


Alex McKenna wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This week I was going to start work restoring my rhodes 22, but
Saturday
> at 4:30 AM there arose a problem. My wife and I were awoken to the
sound
> of an explosion, we looked out our window and saw a car driving on our
> lawn. A man fell asleep at the wheel, and drove his honda civic
through
> our fence, smashing into, then going under our boat on the trailer.
The
> boat was still tightly strapped to the dual-axle trailer with 10k
pound
> straps. He was still going so fast after the collision, he demolished
two
> more fences, throwing the heavy, trex fencing 20 or 30 feet. The hull
has
> three or fours cracks near the transom. I have to get an estimate for
> repairs, but we recently moved to CT and I don't know any repair shops
in
> the area. 
> 
> What do you think are the chances of getting this repaired? I may be
able
> to grind and epoxy myself, but I don't know if I will be able to get
> access to the inner hull.
> 
> Here are some pics of the damage:
> 
> Amazingly, the driver was unhurt, and left the car before the police
> arrived.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alex
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:18:32 -0400
From: "Saroj" <saroj at pathfind.net>
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Alex, so sorry to hear of your damage... how disappointing!



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:33:57 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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John,

While you are probably correct about the insurance value of the '81
Rhodes, 
why would you separate the deck and the hull?  Most of us do not have a 
lifting mechanism capable of doing so.  I would think that most of the 
damage might be reachable from the laz (not very comfortable but it does

provide access to the hull at that point.)  When I needed to do a fair 
amount of work on my R22, I thoroughly cleaned and repainted my laz
before 
spending a fair amount of time in there working on repairs.  There was 
plenty of room for my 5'11" frame in the laz, although I must admit, it 
would have been easier if I had lost 30 pounds or so.  Pillows helped a
lot.

Your point about finding another Rhodes 22 is well taken, although I
haven't 
seen many for sale lately.  As far as the 5% fee for Stan, I believe
Alex 
said he paid nothing for the boat (it was a gift) so Stan has already 
received all the fee that he is entitled to.

I still think that unless Alex is real good at 'glass repair, the boat 
should be repaired professionally and the best place is still GBI (and
may 
be the least costly if Stan is in a good mood.)

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "John Shulick" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:26 PM
> Alex,
>
> Sorry to see what has happened to your boat. I'm more sorry to say the
> insurance bastards will probably screw you to the wall and give you
next 
> to
> nothing citing the age of the boat for their excuse.
> Also because of the age stan may or may not even give you the time of
day 
> as
> he is not usually inclined to do anything for the owners of older
rhodes
> especially if he has not received his 5% homage. That being said it is
my
> humble opinion that the damage is repairable if you have the time and 
> skill
> and tools to do the job. Those tools and skills would include the
ability 
> to
> separate the hull from the deck at the rub rail (there is a joint
there)
> removing the deck and cockpit and working from the inside of the hull
> rebuilding everything as you go then putting it all back together.
Quite a
> project but doable. Might be cheaper to find another boat. I wish you
the
> best of luck and hope all works out in the end.
>
> John S
>
>
> Alex McKenna wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This week I was going to start work restoring my rhodes 22, but
Saturday
>> at 4:30 AM there arose a problem. My wife and I were awoken to the
sound
>> of an explosion, we looked out our window and saw a car driving on
our
>> lawn. A man fell asleep at the wheel, and drove his honda civic
through
>> our fence, smashing into, then going under our boat on the trailer.
The
>> boat was still tightly strapped to the dual-axle trailer with 10k
pound
>> straps. He was still going so fast after the collision, he demolished
two
>> more fences, throwing the heavy, trex fencing 20 or 30 feet. The hull
has
>> three or fours cracks near the transom. I have to get an estimate for
>> repairs, but we recently moved to CT and I don't know any repair
shops in
>> the area.
>>
>> What do you think are the chances of getting this repaired? I may be
able
>> to grind and epoxy myself, but I don't know if I will be able to get
>> access to the inner hull.
>>
>> Here are some pics of the damage:
>>
>> Amazingly, the driver was unhurt, and left the car before the police
>> arrived.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Alex
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:25:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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Mike,

 From the pictures I saw reaching all the cracks would be problematic at
best given the cramped conditions in the laz and the need to grind the
surface to prepare it properly for the glass sheets and resin to bond
properly, Particular concern would be the cracks below the plimsol line,
they may extend into the area where the foam flotation area is under the
cockpit floor and not accessible. I am also assuming a worst case
scenario
so any surprises would be on the plus side. I have managed to my
surprise to
fit my 6'0" 290 lb frame into the laz to do some bolt tightening and
such
but it was pretty tight quarters. the deck by itself can't weigh that
much
an old rhodes comes in at around 2500 lbs 700 of that is ballast so
1800/2
equals about 900 or so pounds and probably is less since we haven't
considered mast and wood work at all. A rented mobile cherry picker
should
do the job. 2 one day rentals should do, one to get it off and lay aside
and
one to put it back on. I Also point out this would give easy access to
everything in the boat with regard to stringers and such for a total
rebuild
which should be equal to or superior to any thing stans people can crank
out. This is not a job for the faint of heart or non handy people. It
would
be much easier to simply throw money at someone else to do the job I
agree,
but that is not always possible. Any boat yard (including stan) would
probably charge materials x 5 for labor I doubt you would get a bid
under
$10,000 for anyone to touch the job. For that much I could work
miracles.
Nothing would please me more than to be proven wrong on this, I hope
someone
brings this thread to stans attention and he underbids my estimate. I
don't
like the thought of any rhodes being scuttled old or new.

Best wishes
John S


R22MikeW wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> While you are probably correct about the insurance value of the '81
> Rhodes, 
> why would you separate the deck and the hull?  Most of us do not have
a 
> lifting mechanism capable of doing so.  I would think that most of the

> damage might be reachable from the laz (not very comfortable but it
does 
> provide access to the hull at that point.)  When I needed to do a fair

> amount of work on my R22, I thoroughly cleaned and repainted my laz
before 
> spending a fair amount of time in there working on repairs.  There was

> plenty of room for my 5'11" frame in the laz, although I must admit,
it 
> would have been easier if I had lost 30 pounds or so.  Pillows helped
a
> lot.
> 
> Your point about finding another Rhodes 22 is well taken, although I
> haven't 
> seen many for sale lately.  As far as the 5% fee for Stan, I believe
Alex 
> said he paid nothing for the boat (it was a gift) so Stan has already 
> received all the fee that he is entitled to.
> 
> I still think that unless Alex is real good at 'glass repair, the boat

> should be repaired professionally and the best place is still GBI (and
may 
> be the least costly if Stan is in a good mood.)
> 
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> From: "John Shulick" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:26 PM
>> Alex,
>>
>> Sorry to see what has happened to your boat. I'm more sorry to say
the
>> insurance bastards will probably screw you to the wall and give you
next 
>> to
>> nothing citing the age of the boat for their excuse.
>> Also because of the age stan may or may not even give you the time of
day 
>> as
>> he is not usually inclined to do anything for the owners of older
rhodes
>> especially if he has not received his 5% homage. That being said it
is my
>> humble opinion that the damage is repairable if you have the time and

>> skill
>> and tools to do the job. Those tools and skills would include the
ability 
>> to
>> separate the hull from the deck at the rub rail (there is a joint
there)
>> removing the deck and cockpit and working from the inside of the hull
>> rebuilding everything as you go then putting it all back together.
Quite
>> a
>> project but doable. Might be cheaper to find another boat. I wish you
the
>> best of luck and hope all works out in the end.
>>
>> John S
>>
>>
>> Alex McKenna wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This week I was going to start work restoring my rhodes 22, but
Saturday
>>> at 4:30 AM there arose a problem. My wife and I were awoken to the
sound
>>> of an explosion, we looked out our window and saw a car driving on
our
>>> lawn. A man fell asleep at the wheel, and drove his honda civic
through
>>> our fence, smashing into, then going under our boat on the trailer.
The
>>> boat was still tightly strapped to the dual-axle trailer with 10k
pound
>>> straps. He was still going so fast after the collision, he
demolished
>>> two
>>> more fences, throwing the heavy, trex fencing 20 or 30 feet. The
hull
>>> has
>>> three or fours cracks near the transom. I have to get an estimate
for
>>> repairs, but we recently moved to CT and I don't know any repair
shops
>>> in
>>> the area.
>>>
>>> What do you think are the chances of getting this repaired? I may be
>>> able
>>> to grind and epoxy myself, but I don't know if I will be able to get
>>> access to the inner hull.
>>>
>>> Here are some pics of the damage:
>>>
>>> Amazingly, the driver was unhurt, and left the car before the police
>>> arrived.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:08:16 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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John,

First, I pretty much agree with you on everything.

Way back when my Rhodes was under construction, I had the pleasure to
watch 
the factory build Rhodes every day as visited (I worked near the NY
plant.) 
As I recall, when the hull was separated from the deck, the hull was in
a 
"mold" or carrier.  I wonder if it is safe to leave the hull in the
trailer 
bunks while the deck is removed.  Does the hull need special support?
The 
other thing that I remember was that the decks were lifted at several
points 
using a harness.  The decks were also placed on rolling carriers (I
don't 
think that they sit flat) so the deck might also need a cradle for
support. 
Seems like a bigger job than I would want to tackle.

Hopefully, the damage is not as severe as to warrant removal of the
deck.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "John Shulick" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:25 PM
>
> Mike,
>
> From the pictures I saw reaching all the cracks would be problematic
at
> best given the cramped conditions in the laz and the need to grind the
> surface to prepare it properly for the glass sheets and resin to bond
> properly, Particular concern would be the cracks below the plimsol
line,
> they may extend into the area where the foam flotation area is under
the
> cockpit floor and not accessible. I am also assuming a worst case
scenario
> so any surprises would be on the plus side. I have managed to my
surprise 
> to
> fit my 6'0" 290 lb frame into the laz to do some bolt tightening and
such
> but it was pretty tight quarters. the deck by itself can't weigh that
much
> an old rhodes comes in at around 2500 lbs 700 of that is ballast so
1800/2
> equals about 900 or so pounds and probably is less since we haven't
> considered mast and wood work at all. A rented mobile cherry picker
should
> do the job. 2 one day rentals should do, one to get it off and lay
aside 
> and
> one to put it back on. I Also point out this would give easy access to
> everything in the boat with regard to stringers and such for a total 
> rebuild
> which should be equal to or superior to any thing stans people can
crank
> out. This is not a job for the faint of heart or non handy people. It 
> would
> be much easier to simply throw money at someone else to do the job I 
> agree,
> but that is not always possible. Any boat yard (including stan) would
> probably charge materials x 5 for labor I doubt you would get a bid
under
> $10,000 for anyone to touch the job. For that much I could work
miracles.
> Nothing would please me more than to be proven wrong on this, I hope 
> someone
> brings this thread to stans attention and he underbids my estimate. I 
> don't
> like the thought of any rhodes being scuttled old or new.
>
> Best wishes
> John S
>
>
> R22MikeW wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> While you are probably correct about the insurance value of the '81
>> Rhodes,
>> why would you separate the deck and the hull?  Most of us do not have
a
>> lifting mechanism capable of doing so.  I would think that most of
the
>> damage might be reachable from the laz (not very comfortable but it
does
>> provide access to the hull at that point.)  When I needed to do a
fair
>> amount of work on my R22, I thoroughly cleaned and repainted my laz 
>> before
>> spending a fair amount of time in there working on repairs.  There
was
>> plenty of room for my 5'11" frame in the laz, although I must admit,
it
>> would have been easier if I had lost 30 pounds or so.  Pillows helped
a
>> lot.
>>
>> Your point about finding another Rhodes 22 is well taken, although I
>> haven't
>> seen many for sale lately.  As far as the 5% fee for Stan, I believe
Alex
>> said he paid nothing for the boat (it was a gift) so Stan has already
>> received all the fee that he is entitled to.
>>
>> I still think that unless Alex is real good at 'glass repair, the
boat
>> should be repaired professionally and the best place is still GBI
(and 
>> may
>> be the least costly if Stan is in a good mood.)
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "John Shulick" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:26 PM
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> Sorry to see what has happened to your boat. I'm more sorry to say
the
>>> insurance bastards will probably screw you to the wall and give you
next
>>> to
>>> nothing citing the age of the boat for their excuse.
>>> Also because of the age stan may or may not even give you the time
of 
>>> day
>>> as
>>> he is not usually inclined to do anything for the owners of older
rhodes
>>> especially if he has not received his 5% homage. That being said it
is 
>>> my
>>> humble opinion that the damage is repairable if you have the time
and
>>> skill
>>> and tools to do the job. Those tools and skills would include the 
>>> ability
>>> to
>>> separate the hull from the deck at the rub rail (there is a joint
there)
>>> removing the deck and cockpit and working from the inside of the
hull
>>> rebuilding everything as you go then putting it all back together.
Quite
>>> a
>>> project but doable. Might be cheaper to find another boat. I wish
you 
>>> the
>>> best of luck and hope all works out in the end.
>>>
>>> John S
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex McKenna wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This week I was going to start work restoring my rhodes 22, but 
>>>> Saturday
>>>> at 4:30 AM there arose a problem. My wife and I were awoken to the 
>>>> sound
>>>> of an explosion, we looked out our window and saw a car driving on
our
>>>> lawn. A man fell asleep at the wheel, and drove his honda civic
through
>>>> our fence, smashing into, then going under our boat on the trailer.
The
>>>> boat was still tightly strapped to the dual-axle trailer with 10k
pound
>>>> straps. He was still going so fast after the collision, he
demolished
>>>> two
>>>> more fences, throwing the heavy, trex fencing 20 or 30 feet. The
hull
>>>> has
>>>> three or fours cracks near the transom. I have to get an estimate
for
>>>> repairs, but we recently moved to CT and I don't know any repair
shops
>>>> in
>>>> the area.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think are the chances of getting this repaired? I may
be
>>>> able
>>>> to grind and epoxy myself, but I don't know if I will be able to
get
>>>> access to the inner hull.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some pics of the damage:
>>>>
>>>> Amazingly, the driver was unhurt, and left the car before the
police
>>>> arrived.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 00:08:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Alex,

I'd take the pictures to a credible boatyard for evaluation.  John Lock
owns my first R22, 1979 vintage, which suffered major damage before it
was restored by it's then owner.  I sold it to a NC rookie who damaged
the keel, then sold it to John, who repaired this damage.  While there
was a concave flexure I discovered while I owned it, it sailed well and
continues to do well now.

Just from a superficial look at the pictures, know that much of the area
inside the damaged surface is packed with floatation, which therefore
should reinforce a hull repair well.  Serious structural damage in the
laz area should be very visible from the laz opening, possible using
mirrors.  Shine auto headlamps on it at night and look for light shining
thru.  I don't think major trauma to recover if you have a good shop to
access.  You may even be able to repair part or all yourself.  

Remember that it was not perfect when you received it, you have just
extended the time for restoration a mite.  Keep us posted on your
progress!

Art


-----Original Message-----
>From: Alex Mckenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
>Sent: May 25, 2010 9:42 AM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
>
>Hi,
>
>This week I was going to start work restoring my rhodes 22, but
Saturday at 4:30 AM there arose a problem. My wife and I were awoken to
the sound of an explosion, we looked out our window and saw a car
driving on our lawn. A man fell asleep at the wheel, and drove his honda
civic through our fence, smashing into, then going under our boat on the
trailer. The boat was still tightly strapped to the dual-axle trailer
with 10k pound straps. He was still going so fast after the collision,
he demolished two more fences, throwing the heavy, trex fencing 20 or 30
feet. The hull has three or fours cracks near the transom. I have to get
an estimate for repairs, but we recently moved to CT and I don't know
any repair shops in the area. 
>
>What do you think are the chances of getting this repaired? I may be
able to grind and epoxy myself, but I don't know if I will be able to
get access to the inner hull.
>
>Here are some pics of the damage:
>
>Amazingly, the driver was unhurt, and left the car before the police
arrived.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Alex
>
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:31:28 -0700
From: "Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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Not often you see antifouling paint from the bottom of your boat on TOP
of a
car.  It doesn't look good for your $9,000 boat.  I fear it is totaled.
Bummer. Hope the insurance pays up quickly, then buy back the boat for
salvage.

Chris G

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alex Mckenna
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 06:42
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?

Hi,

This week I was going to start work restoring my rhodes 22, but Saturday
at
4:30 AM there arose a problem. My wife and I were awoken to the sound of
an
explosion, we looked out our window and saw a car driving on our lawn. A
man
fell asleep at the wheel, and drove his honda civic through our fence,
smashing into, then going under our boat on the trailer. The boat was
still
tightly strapped to the dual-axle trailer with 10k pound straps. He was
still going so fast after the collision, he demolished two more fences,
throwing the heavy, trex fencing 20 or 30 feet. The hull has three or
fours
cracks near the transom. I have to get an estimate for repairs, but we
recently moved to CT and I don't know any repair shops in the area. 

What do you think are the chances of getting this repaired? I may be
able to
grind and epoxy myself, but I don't know if I will be able to get access
to
the inner hull.

Here are some pics of the damage:

Amazingly, the driver was unhurt, and left the car before the police
arrived.

Thanks,

Alex

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:37:49 EDT
From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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Alex,
Bummer is the only word that comes to mind. I've read all the posts  
offering advice and some on right on and others are totally off the
wall. A good  
auto body shop that has experience with Corvettes might be a good way to
go 
if  you don't have a good marina near by that does that kind of work. 
Fiberglass is light, strong and easily repaired and reinforced during
the  
repair. A little research on your part and you might attempt the repairs

yourself. DO NOT SEPERATE THE HULL HALVES. Totally not necessary. Also,
the  
insurance company might be able to direct you to a good repair shop.
This is totally repairable and worth doing.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 5/25/2010 9:42:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
alex at brightrhino.com writes:

Hi,

This week I was going to start work restoring my rhodes  22, but
Saturday 
at 4:30 AM there arose a problem. My wife and I were awoken  to the
sound of 
an explosion, we looked out our window and saw a car driving  on our
lawn. A 
man fell asleep at the wheel, and drove his honda civic through  our
fence, 
smashing into, then going under our boat on the trailer. The boat  was 
still tightly strapped to the dual-axle trailer with 10k pound straps.
He  was 
still going so fast after the collision, he demolished two more fences,

throwing the heavy, trex fencing 20 or 30 feet. The hull has three or
fours  
cracks near the transom. I have to get an estimate for repairs, but we  
recently moved to CT and I don't know any repair shops in the area.  

What do you think are the chances of getting this repaired? I may be
able 
to grind and epoxy myself, but I don't know if I will be able to get
access 
to the inner hull.

Here are some pics of the  damage:

Amazingly, the driver was unhurt, and left the car before the  police 
arrived.

Thanks,

Alex

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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:55:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: BenCittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  Knockdown
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Has anyone ever been in a Rhodes 22 that experienced a knockdown? How
close
has anybody ever come? I'm in the mood for a "sea story". Anybody want
to
tell one??

Ben C
S/V Susan Kay (93 recy 08)
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