[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2381, Issue 1
Richard MacArthur
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Sat Nov 13 13:18:49 EST 2010
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: lost correspondent (peter klappert)
2. Wet Sanding vs. Buffing faded boat (CarolN8 at aol.com)
3. Re: Wet Sanding vs. Buffing faded boat (Rick)
4. Re: Wet Sanding vs. Buffing faded boat (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
5. New here - intro and some questions (Rob S.)
6. Re: New here - intro and some questions (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
7. Re: New here - intro and some questions
(jimtracyjohnston at centurytel.net)
8. Re: New here - intro and some questions (Ellner)
9. Re: Wet Sanding vs. Buffing faded boat (Rhodes22Dave)
10. Re: New here - intro and some questions (KUHN, LELAND)
11. Re: New here - intro and some questions (Lowe, Rob)
12. New here - intro and some questions (Rob S.)
13. Re: New here - intro and some questions (Rob S.)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC)
From: peter klappert <peterklappert at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] lost correspondent
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An R22 owner in the Sarasota/Tampa Bay area recently sent me a message (it may have been off-list) offering advice. It has disappeared from my computer. I'd like to follow up, so please get back in touch.
Thanx
P
Washington, DC
Apollo Beach, FL
>>>>o<<<<
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:52:42 EST
From: CarolN8 at aol.com
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wet Sanding vs. Buffing faded boat
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My Rhodes is now 10 years old. It has (had) a dark blue hull which has now
faded and gotten extremely oxidized in the Colorado sun. I have gotten
quotes to have it wet-sanded for about $1800. But I just took it to get the
bottom acid washed, and the guy there said he can get most of the color back
by using chemicals to get the oxidation off and then buffing it down. The
stuff I've used in the past to do this hasn't worked as well as whatever he
is using. This would cost between $800 and $1100. He did a small area while
I was standing there, and it did get a much better color by the time he
buffed it. It's still somewhat faded but much better than the rest of the boat.
My question is whether to spend more money and go ahead and wet-sand it, or
spend less money (but still a significant amount), and do the oxidation
removal and buff. The buff and wax guy said it's better not to wet sand it if
possible, because it takes off the clear coat and more of the gel coat. I
just don't know if that's true or if it's something I should worry about.
Does anyone have suggestions as to which way to go on this?
Thanks!
Carol
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:56:52 -0500
From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wet Sanding vs. Buffing faded boat
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Carol,
Paint it with Awlgrip.
Rick
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:52 PM, <CarolN8 at aol.com> wrote:
> My Rhodes is now 10 years old. It has (had) a dark blue hull which has now
> faded and gotten extremely oxidized in the Colorado sun. I have gotten
> quotes to have it wet-sanded for about $1800. But I just took it to get
> the
> bottom acid washed, and the guy there said he can get most of the color
> back
> by using chemicals to get the oxidation off and then buffing it down. The
> stuff I've used in the past to do this hasn't worked as well as whatever
> he
> is using. This would cost between $800 and $1100. He did a small area
> while
> I was standing there, and it did get a much better color by the time he
> buffed it. It's still somewhat faded but much better than the rest of the
> boat.
>
> My question is whether to spend more money and go ahead and wet-sand it, or
> spend less money (but still a significant amount), and do the oxidation
> removal and buff. The buff and wax guy said it's better not to wet sand it
> if
> possible, because it takes off the clear coat and more of the gel coat. I
> just don't know if that's true or if it's something I should worry about.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions as to which way to go on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Carol
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:59:41 EST
From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wet Sanding vs. Buffing faded boat
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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Carol,
Rum Runner was almost twenty years old when I made the decision to repaint
instead of the normal buffing and waxing. What you do is your choice, but
after ten years it's probably time to repaint her. The bottom anti-fouling
and possibly a barrier coat can be easily removed with professional sand
blasting without removing the gel coat which protects the fiberglass beneath.
The R22 does not have a clear coat finish to the best of my knowledge.
Which paint you use is your choice, as well as color, but DuPont has some
really good marine finishes these days. I went with yellow and don't regret
doing it.
Glad to see you are still hanging around the old bar. Last May we were in
Key West and consumed massive quantities of Pain Killers.
Rummy
In a message dated 11/12/2010 2:53:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
CarolN8 at aol.com writes:
My Rhodes is now 10 years old. It has (had) a dark blue hull which has now
faded and gotten extremely oxidized in the Colorado sun. I have gotten
quotes to have it wet-sanded for about $1800. But I just took it to get
the
bottom acid washed, and the guy there said he can get most of the color
back
by using chemicals to get the oxidation off and then buffing it down. The
stuff I've used in the past to do this hasn't worked as well as whatever
he
is using. This would cost between $800 and $1100. He did a small area
while
I was standing there, and it did get a much better color by the time he
buffed it. It's still somewhat faded but much better than the rest of the
boat.
My question is whether to spend more money and go ahead and wet-sand it,
or
spend less money (but still a significant amount), and do the oxidation
removal and buff. The buff and wax guy said it's better not to wet sand
it if
possible, because it takes off the clear coat and more of the gel coat. I
just don't know if that's true or if it's something I should worry about.
Does anyone have suggestions as to which way to go on this?
Thanks!
Carol
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:54:31 -0800 (PST)
From: "Rob S." <sealovertech at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
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Joined last night, got my first digest today. I figured I'd introduce myself.
I own a 1973 Venture 17 which I enjoy with the wife, or a friend, or
single-handed on the local lakes, the Susquehanna and the Chesapeake. I first
saw a Rhodes at the Annapolis sailboat show last year. I was smitten. I read
every page of that book Stan calls a brochure.
I tried overnighting on the 17 but just need (want?) something bigger, and of
course I'm on a very tight budget.
Right now the top two choices are a Macgregor 25 at a bargain basement price and
it needs work in a few areas that I have experience and ability (cleaning,
engine, woodworking, trailer modification) And a used Rhodes with standard
floorplan, IMF, fancy engine lift and a Rhodes trailer. This is from General
Boats, as-is. But it's exactly 4 times the price of the bargain basement
Mac. Still a bargain compared to the one private-sale Rhodes I've seen
lately. I presented both options to the wife. The Mac is in the "who cares,
do what you want" price range and the Rhodes will require me to buy her new
curtains and put a tile floor in the kitchen, and will totally deplete my
allowance fund.
I'm seesawing back and forth. The 22 and 25 both seem to have "enough" room.
The 22 I think would be more like my 17 in that if I feel like going out for a
sail in the evening after work I can just go down to the river, rig and launch
it myself and poke around until after sunset. (and launch in an unprotected
ramp in river current)
I guess I really didn't have a question other than "is there other things I
should be thinking about in this comparison?"
Thank you in advance for any replies. -Rob
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:28:16 EST
From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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Rob,
Find out what color and material she wants for the curtains and go pick
out the tile you will be installing. Done deal. Slam dunk.
Rummy
In a message dated 11/12/2010 4:54:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sealovertech at yahoo.com writes:
Joined last night, got my first digest today. I figured I'd introduce
myself.
I own a 1973 Venture 17 which I enjoy with the wife, or a friend, or
single-handed on the local lakes, the Susquehanna and the Chesapeake. I
first
saw a Rhodes at the Annapolis sailboat show last year. I was smitten. I
read
every page of that book Stan calls a brochure.
I tried overnighting on the 17 but just need (want?) something bigger, and
of
course I'm on a very tight budget.
Right now the top two choices are a Macgregor 25 at a bargain basement
price and
it needs work in a few areas that I have experience and ability (cleaning,
engine, woodworking, trailer modification) And a used Rhodes with
standard
floorplan, IMF, fancy engine lift and a Rhodes trailer. This is from
General
Boats, as-is. But it's exactly 4 times the price of the bargain basement
Mac. Still a bargain compared to the one private-sale Rhodes I've seen
lately. I presented both options to the wife. The Mac is in the "who
cares,
do what you want" price range and the Rhodes will require me to buy her
new
curtains and put a tile floor in the kitchen, and will totally deplete my
allowance fund.
I'm seesawing back and forth. The 22 and 25 both seem to have "enough"
room.
The 22 I think would be more like my 17 in that if I feel like going out
for a
sail in the evening after work I can just go down to the river, rig and
launch
it myself and poke around until after sunset. (and launch in an
unprotected
ramp in river current)
I guess I really didn't have a question other than "is there other things
I
should be thinking about in this comparison?"
Thank you in advance for any replies. -Rob
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:31:01 -0500
From: jimtracyjohnston at centurytel.net
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
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Rob, There is no comparison in the Rhodes & Mac. The Mac has what
appears to be a lot for the bargin price. The shinny adjustable wrench
in the bargin bin at the lumber yard looks just like a Snap-On or
Craftsman until you use it. The Rhodes will give you many enjoyable
hours of sailing if treated properly not many hours of fixing and
patching. One suggestion is the use of a mast raising system. The IMF
system is heavy. When we first purchased our Rhodes I raised the mast
alone with halyards connected to the stern, cross ties, bungies, lots
of luck and more than one unsuccessful attempt. The next suggestion to
to call the new Rhodes "Our" boat. Get your wife involved. We have
several super female contributors on the list that you MUST listen to.
Their knowledge is wonderful!!! They don't try the macho, often stupid,
solution to problems. I hope they (ladies) will jump in here. Good
Luck, Jim J "LOON"
Quoting "Rob S." <sealovertech at yahoo.com>:
> Joined last night, got my first digest today. I figured I'd
> introduce myself.
> I own a 1973 Venture 17 which I enjoy with the wife, or a friend, or
> single-handed on the local lakes, the Susquehanna and the Chesapeake.
> I first
> saw a Rhodes at the Annapolis sailboat show last year. I was
> smitten. I read
> every page of that book Stan calls a brochure.
>
>
> I tried overnighting on the 17 but just need (want?) something bigger, and of
> course I'm on a very tight budget.
>
> Right now the top two choices are a Macgregor 25 at a bargain
> basement price and
> it needs work in a few areas that I have experience and ability (cleaning,
> engine, woodworking, trailer modification) And a used Rhodes
> with standard
> floorplan, IMF, fancy engine lift and a Rhodes trailer. This is
> from General
> Boats, as-is. But it's exactly 4 times the price of the bargain basement
> Mac. Still a bargain compared to the one private-sale Rhodes I've seen
> lately. I presented both options to the wife. The Mac is in the
> "who cares,
> do what you want" price range and the Rhodes will require me to buy her new
> curtains and put a tile floor in the kitchen, and will totally deplete my
> allowance fund.
>
>
> I'm seesawing back and forth. The 22 and 25 both seem to have
> "enough" room.
> The 22 I think would be more like my 17 in that if I feel like going
> out for a
> sail in the evening after work I can just go down to the river, rig
> and launch
> it myself and poke around until after sunset. (and launch in an unprotected
> ramp in river current)
>
>
> I guess I really didn't have a question other than "is there other things I
> should be thinking about in this comparison?"
>
>
> Thank you in advance for any replies. -Rob
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:44:30 -0600
From: Ellner <ellner at pressenter.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
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Rob: Buy the lady her curtains! (that is what we do for a living
----- up in Wisconsin where we are about to be inundated with SNOW!!)
And after you've gotten the curtains for her, check out the tile!
This way, you BOTH will be happy!
(Re-read you Paragraph 4, about going down to the river, rigging &
launching...........Go for it!!)
Mary & Rod
Toy Blew
(waiting for Spring again!)
> Joined last night, got my first digest today. I figured I'd introduce myself.
> I own a 1973 Venture 17 which I enjoy with the wife, or a friend, or
> single-handed on the local lakes, the Susquehanna and the Chesapeake. I first
> saw a Rhodes at the Annapolis sailboat show last year. I was smitten. I read
> every page of that book Stan calls a brochure.
>
>
> I tried overnighting on the 17 but just need (want?) something bigger, and of
> course I'm on a very tight budget.
>
> Right now the top two choices are a Macgregor 25 at a bargain basement price and
> it needs work in a few areas that I have experience and ability (cleaning,
> engine, woodworking, trailer modification) And a used Rhodes with standard
> floorplan, IMF, fancy engine lift and a Rhodes trailer. This is from General
> Boats, as-is. But it's exactly 4 times the price of the bargain basement
> Mac. Still a bargain compared to the one private-sale Rhodes I've seen
> lately. I presented both options to the wife. The Mac is in the "who cares,
> do what you want" price range and the Rhodes will require me to buy her new
> curtains and put a tile floor in the kitchen, and will totally deplete my
> allowance fund.
>
>
> I'm seesawing back and forth. The 22 and 25 both seem to have "enough" room.
> The 22 I think would be more like my 17 in that if I feel like going out for a
> sail in the evening after work I can just go down to the river, rig and launch
> it myself and poke around until after sunset. (and launch in an unprotected
> ramp in river current)
>
>
> I guess I really didn't have a question other than "is there other things I
> should be thinking about in this comparison?"
>
>
> Thank you in advance for any replies. -Rob
>
>
>
>
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> .
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:52:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Rhodes22Dave <Rhodes22Dave at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wet Sanding vs. Buffing faded boat
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Clearly you need more than what I did, twice. I purchased a good brand of
wax that contained a rubbing compound. I used a battery-powered drill with
buffing pad. My boat was on the lake, and so I floated around the boat in
an inflatable raft. I used elbow grease to get off the oxidized surface,
and then I used the buffer to get a nice shine. When I was through, my navy
blue Rhodes 22 looked almost as good as new (except for the faded red bumper
strip on the upper hull just below the gunwhales).
Within two or three months, the boat's hull had returned to its oxidized,
cloudy, dull, faded surface, particularly on the side facing the sun at the
dock.
Later, I repeated the job. Got another two months.
After that, I gave up and have a cloudy hull.
Dave
CarolN8 wrote:
>
> My Rhodes is now 10 years old. It has (had) a dark blue hull which has now
> faded and gotten extremely oxidized in the Colorado sun. I have gotten
> quotes to have it wet-sanded for about $1800. But I just took it to get
> the
> bottom acid washed, and the guy there said he can get most of the color
> back
> by using chemicals to get the oxidation off and then buffing it down. The
> stuff I've used in the past to do this hasn't worked as well as whatever
> he
> is using. This would cost between $800 and $1100. He did a small area
> while
> I was standing there, and it did get a much better color by the time he
> buffed it. It's still somewhat faded but much better than the rest of the
> boat.
>
> My question is whether to spend more money and go ahead and wet-sand it,
> or
> spend less money (but still a significant amount), and do the oxidation
> removal and buff. The buff and wax guy said it's better not to wet sand
> it if
> possible, because it takes off the clear coat and more of the gel coat. I
> just don't know if that's true or if it's something I should worry about.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions as to which way to go on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Carol
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:31:49 -0500
From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
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Rob,
Most people on this list will think this is a no-brainer regardless of price. I'm cheap and still bought a Rhodes over less expensive boats. Rhodes cost more because of their quality but that's not what drove my decision. The Rhodes has so many positive features not found on the MacGregor that it is truly an apples-to-oranges comparison. Think of your favorite and least favorite shirts. Your favorite shirt likely cost more but was a better value, not because of its quality, but because you wear it more often and probably never wear your least favorite shirt. I'm convinced that I sail my Rhodes more because it's easier and more enjoyable to sail. If I look at cost per hour of fun, the Rhodes is less expensive than anything else I could have purchased.
I paid Stan a ridiculous amount of money to recyle a 1986 Rhodes in 2004 but I must admit that I've spent nothing on repairs aside from minimal routine maintenance (mostly outboard service and bottom paint).
On the flip side 4x the cost is a lot of money and the MacGregor is probably much easier to trailer and launch, especially regarding mast raising.
Good luck!
Lee
1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Kent Island, MD
.
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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org on behalf of Rob S.
Sent: Fri 11/12/2010 4:54 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
Joined last night, got my first digest today. I figured I'd introduce myself.
I own a 1973 Venture 17 which I enjoy with the wife, or a friend, or
single-handed on the local lakes, the Susquehanna and the Chesapeake. I first
saw a Rhodes at the Annapolis sailboat show last year. I was smitten. I read
every page of that book Stan calls a brochure.
I tried overnighting on the 17 but just need (want?) something bigger, and of
course I'm on a very tight budget.
Right now the top two choices are a Macgregor 25 at a bargain basement price and
it needs work in a few areas that I have experience and ability (cleaning,
engine, woodworking, trailer modification) And a used Rhodes with standard
floorplan, IMF, fancy engine lift and a Rhodes trailer. This is from General
Boats, as-is. But it's exactly 4 times the price of the bargain basement
Mac. Still a bargain compared to the one private-sale Rhodes I've seen
lately. I presented both options to the wife. The Mac is in the "who cares,
do what you want" price range and the Rhodes will require me to buy her new
curtains and put a tile floor in the kitchen, and will totally deplete my
allowance fund.
I'm seesawing back and forth. The 22 and 25 both seem to have "enough" room.
The 22 I think would be more like my 17 in that if I feel like going out for a
sail in the evening after work I can just go down to the river, rig and launch
it myself and poke around until after sunset. (and launch in an unprotected
ramp in river current)
I guess I really didn't have a question other than "is there other things I
should be thinking about in this comparison?"
Thank you in advance for any replies. -Rob
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:08:45 -0500
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
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Rob,
Tough choice. What color curtains and floor tile? Floor tile is not that hard to install :)
Obviously we are all biased and are going to recommend the Rhodes. We all have them and came to the Rhodes through very different circumstances. I've got a 1976 standard main boat and would love to get my hands on one with the IMF. Just not in my budget yet.
Will you be trailering and launching a lot or would you have a slip? As mentioned, with the IMF you will probably want the mast raising system. It takes three of use to manually raise the standard mast and it's quite a bit lighter than the IMF. I can launch and rig in about 1.5 hours. Having a slip much better. I think the boat with the IMF and mast raising system is a bit faster, but I don't know. If you don't have a slip, maybe your Venture is adequate?? The only reason I say that is I don't enjoy rigging and the first year we did not have a slip and had to rig each time we used the boat. Didn't use it much that year.
There is a reason there is a 4:1 difference. Look at what you're getting for your money. Not that anyone ever sells their Rhodes, but consider resale down the road if need be.
Have you sailed the Rhodes? A test sail might convince you. Where are you located? There are some Rhodies around the bay area that might still have their boats in the water and would be willing to get you (and your wife) on the water.
And most of Stan's boats do not come with a motor. Factor that in if need be.
If nothing else, stay on this list. We need another Rob!
Rob Lowe
S/V Getaway
1976 Rhodses
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Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 4:54 PM
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
Joined last night, got my first digest today. I figured I'd introduce myself.
I own a 1973 Venture 17 which I enjoy with the wife, or a friend, or
single-handed on the local lakes, the Susquehanna and the Chesapeake. I first
saw a Rhodes at the Annapolis sailboat show last year. I was smitten. I read
every page of that book Stan calls a brochure.
I tried overnighting on the 17 but just need (want?) something bigger, and of
course I'm on a very tight budget.
Right now the top two choices are a Macgregor 25 at a bargain basement price and
it needs work in a few areas that I have experience and ability (cleaning,
engine, woodworking, trailer modification) And a used Rhodes with standard
floorplan, IMF, fancy engine lift and a Rhodes trailer. This is from General
Boats, as-is. But it's exactly 4 times the price of the bargain basement
Mac. Still a bargain compared to the one private-sale Rhodes I've seen
lately. I presented both options to the wife. The Mac is in the "who cares,
do what you want" price range and the Rhodes will require me to buy her new
curtains and put a tile floor in the kitchen, and will totally deplete my
allowance fund.
I'm seesawing back and forth. The 22 and 25 both seem to have "enough" room.
The 22 I think would be more like my 17 in that if I feel like going out for a
sail in the evening after work I can just go down to the river, rig and launch
it myself and poke around until after sunset. (and launch in an unprotected
ramp in river current)
I guess I really didn't have a question other than "is there other things I
should be thinking about in this comparison?"
Thank you in advance for any replies. -Rob
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:06:45 -0800 (PST)
From: "Rob S." <sealovertech at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
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Thank you for the quick reply. How long would it take one healthy 6' tall guy
to rig and launch a Rhodes? A lot of my sailing is in the afternoon after
work so the quicker I can get it rigged the quicker I can launch.
I like your shirt analogy. I think of it like cars (I'm a car guy) I tinker
with old Mercedes. I appreciate the over-engineering that went into them, and I
enjoy their timeless style and relative simplicity. They designed them to last
forever, and then a few more decades beyond that. Plus a 20 year old Mercedes
is a screaming bargain. That said, I bought my wife a new Honda. They
seem to be stamped out of tin but they build them very affordably, and just good
enough to last exactly forever -- but no more than that.
That's kind of how I view the Rhodes and the Mac.
I guess I answered my own question. I *love* my old Mercedes, and don't even
mind working on it because I really like it and intend to keep it for a very
long time. I admire the wife's Accord (only $500 in repairs in 95K+ miles) but
think it's an incredibly boring appliance.
Not sure which would be easier to tow and launch. I usually end up launching
and retrieving in a cross current on a busy ramp. I don't always get lane
preference (those obnoxious powerboaters unstrap and prep their boats right
there on the ramp instead of in the parking lot -- tying up one of the two
ramps) so the boat ends up drifting sideways off the trailer -- hopefully
against the finger pier, but often out into the abyss until I can get out of the
truck, onto the pier, and grab a stay to yank it back to tie it off. I'd
think the self-aligning trailer would alleviate a lot of that. Plus it sits
low on the trailer. Will be draining a season's worth of water out of my
truck's rear differential this afternoon actually. And replacing a spring
shackle that rusted out. Would be nice to not have to dunk the back half of the
truck to launch a boat. (My current Mac/Venture sits a little high on the
trailer as well)
There's a few youtube videos of people stepping the mast on a Mac 25 but I can't
even find a realistic time estimate to get a Rhodes from highway mode to
ramp-ready.
To add to the mix, the Mac is two hours away, the Rhodes is more like 6.
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From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
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Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:31:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
Rob,
Most people on this list will think this is a no-brainer regardless of price.
I'm cheap and still bought a Rhodes over less expensive boats. Rhodes cost more
because of their quality but that's not what drove my decision. The Rhodes has
so many positive features not found on the MacGregor that it is truly an
apples-to-oranges comparison. Think of your favorite and least favorite
shirts. Your favorite shirt likely cost more but was a better value, not
because of its quality, but because you wear it more often and probably never
wear your least favorite shirt. I'm convinced that I sail my Rhodes more
because it's easier and more enjoyable to sail. If I look at cost per hour of
fun, the Rhodes is less expensive than anything else I could have purchased.
I paid Stan a ridiculous amount of money to recyle a 1986 Rhodes in 2004 but I
must admit that I've spent nothing on repairs aside from minimal routine
maintenance (mostly outboard service and bottom paint).
On the flip side 4x the cost is a lot of money and the MacGregor is probably
much easier to trailer and launch, especially regarding mast raising.
Good luck!
Lee
1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Kent Island, MD
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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org on behalf of Rob S.
Sent: Fri 11/12/2010 4:54 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
Joined last night, got my first digest today. I figured I'd introduce myself.
I own a 1973 Venture 17 which I enjoy with the wife, or a friend, or
single-handed on the local lakes, the Susquehanna and the Chesapeake. I first
saw a Rhodes at the Annapolis sailboat show last year. I was smitten. I read
every page of that book Stan calls a brochure.
I tried overnighting on the 17 but just need (want?) something bigger, and of
course I'm on a very tight budget.
Right now the top two choices are a Macgregor 25 at a bargain basement price and
it needs work in a few areas that I have experience and ability (cleaning,
engine, woodworking, trailer modification) And a used Rhodes with standard
floorplan, IMF, fancy engine lift and a Rhodes trailer. This is from General
Boats, as-is. But it's exactly 4 times the price of the bargain basement
Mac. Still a bargain compared to the one private-sale Rhodes I've seen
lately. I presented both options to the wife. The Mac is in the "who cares,
do what you want" price range and the Rhodes will require me to buy her new
curtains and put a tile floor in the kitchen, and will totally deplete my
allowance fund.
I'm seesawing back and forth. The 22 and 25 both seem to have "enough" room.
The 22 I think would be more like my 17 in that if I feel like going out for a
sail in the evening after work I can just go down to the river, rig and launch
it myself and poke around until after sunset. (and launch in an unprotected
ramp in river current)
I guess I really didn't have a question other than "is there other things I
should be thinking about in this comparison?"
Thank you in advance for any replies. -Rob
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:30:38 -0800 (PST)
From: "Rob S." <sealovertech at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New here - intro and some questions
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Original Rob,
At the Annapolis boat show Stan said he can convert a standard Rhodes to an IMF
(with a used sail) for about $1000. I'd trailer exclusively. Local yacht
club is something like $300 to join plus $500/yr for membership plus a few
hundred more a year for a mooring. I do have a dinghy and could go that route I
suppose. (more $$$$$, but I could use it more often - it's only 15 mins away)
But then my boat would be sitting outside all the time. (keep my current one in
my garage during sailing season and a buddy's barn off-season -- bigger boat
would live in the barn year-round)
Hour and a half to launch and rig? I'm hoping that's with all the shrouds
disconnected! I presently trailer with them all connected except the forestay. I
coil up the slack and bungee them all to the mast so they don't flop around.
Would hope to do the same on a Rhodes.
The option list says $800 for the mast hoist system. Not exactly sure what
that entails but wondering if I could build my own for less. (I'm a shop teacher
with access to a complete metal shop, wood shop, etc...)
I've only really sailed my 17 (aside from an afternoon on a Hunter 38, and some
schooling in a Lightning) so I really wouldn't know what to compare. I've
climbed all over the Rhodes at the boat shows - both new and recycled. I like
'em!
As far as motors, I have a 4 HP longshaft Yamaha on my 17. It moves that around
at hull speed at half throttle so I suspect it'd do alright on the 22. Plus
it's light, and has an internal 1 gallon gas tank so it's real quick to
setup. Is it advisable to trailer a Rhodes with a motor clamped on to the
fancy outboard bracket setup?
Sorry for all the questions. Appreciate the replies. I switched from digest to
individual delivery so I may have missed any replies from last night.
Rob Sealover
York, PA
S/V Over Easy (because the yellow hull and white topsides look like a cooked
egg)
'73 V17
Rob,
Tough choice. What color curtains and floor tile? Floor tile is not that hard
to install :)
Obviously we are all biased and are going to recommend the Rhodes. We all have
them and came to the Rhodes through very different circumstances. I've got a
1976 standard main boat and would love to get my hands on one with the IMF.
Just not in my budget yet.
Will you be trailering and launching a lot or would you have a slip? As
mentioned, with the IMF you will probably want the mast raising system. It
takes three of use to manually raise the standard mast and it's quite a bit
lighter than the IMF. I can launch and rig in about 1.5 hours. Having a slip
much better. I think the boat with the IMF and mast raising system is a bit
faster, but I don't know. If you don't have a slip, maybe your Venture is
adequate?? The only reason I say that is I don't enjoy rigging and the first
year we did not have a slip and had to rig each time we used the boat. Didn't
use it much that year.
There is a reason there is a 4:1 difference. Look at what you're getting for
your money. Not that anyone ever sells their Rhodes, but consider resale down
the road if need be.
Have you sailed the Rhodes? A test sail might convince you. Where are you
located? There are some Rhodies around the bay area that might still have their
boats in the water and would be willing to get you (and your wife) on the
water.
And most of Stan's boats do not come with a motor. Factor that in if need be.
If nothing else, stay on this list. We need another Rob!
Rob Lowe
S/V Getaway
1976 Rhodses
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