[Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
R22RumRunner at aol.com
R22RumRunner at aol.com
Thu Nov 18 12:38:00 EST 2010
Sail safe? Are you out of your mind man? Most people don't want to sail
with me a second time. I get them drunk and then scare the crap out of them.
Rummy
In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:46:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
Hey Rummy,
Ben was bored so he threw a lit match into a tank of gas. Charles took
the
bait. Da list responds. You ... nevermind. Ben, be careful what you
wish
for.
I prefer to live to sail another day. I have even donned a life vest in
rough seas, lately. I must be growing up or something. It is truly a
terrible thing, this getting older business.
Sail safe and make sure that your passengers are of a like mind. Their
lives are in your hands.
Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:35 AM
> Mike,
> And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really expect me
to
> live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than the rest
> of
> the planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere?
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe
> condition. Please review the USCG site
>
http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg.aspx
> with particular attention to the
> following portion:
> Portable Fuel Tanks
> Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers are
> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
>
> Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel tank
> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel tank
> vents
> into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is required.
>
> Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment, gasoline
> vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a
compartment
> that
> will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a compartment. Any
> openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit explosive
> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition source
might
> ignite
> the vapors.
>
> The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
>
> (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
> ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
> to the atmosphere;
> and
>
> (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or exhaust
> duct(s) to the atmosphere.
>
> Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the boat:
> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15 square
> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each cubic
> foot
> of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this requirement
> while
> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with the cabin
> interior and bilge through wiring channels. These ventilation
> requirements
> also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging (solar
or
> otherwise) in confined spaces.
> For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs of
the
> Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
>
> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat Builders"
> which I have found very useful over the years is available at:
>
>
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardboatb
> uilders.pdf
>
> Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with lives. Many
of
> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
>> Charles,
>> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty years. I
>> moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which places an
>> electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz is
> not air
>> tight and if you look under both seats you will see large openings
> which
>> provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried that I
> was going to
>> blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to drink
> like
>> crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time and
>> never had a problem with gas fumes.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the only
> Rhodie
>> in these parts so you probably won't even hear the explosion......I
> do't
>> have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a stove? I
> don't
>> have one of those either.
>>
>> Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving the
>> tank.
>>
>> Charles
>> s/v Blue Feather
>> 84 R 22 ... recycled 96
>>
>>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in laz
>>>
>>> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes ...
>>>
>>> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly explosive.
Since
>> the
>>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store gasoline. I
> have
>>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a problem
>> where at
>>> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped.
>>>
>>> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)? Please do
not
>
>>> store it in the cabin.
>>>
>>> Where do you sail,again?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's this
>> about
>>> > keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I have
>> always
>>> > kept mine .... is this a problem????
>>> >
>>> > Charles
>>> >
>>> >> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
>>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>> >>
>>> >> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate rants.
>> Thoughts
>>> >> on
>>> >> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs really
>> exist?
>>> >> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least
keeping
>> their
>>> >> gas
>>> >> tank in the lazerette?
>>> >>
>>> >> Watching and waiting from BR,
>>> >>
>>> >> Ben
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geoff
> Farrell
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
>>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank God... on both counts.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Mike.
>>> >> > Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a
> separation
>> of
>>> >> > sailing from politics. The political people left the list and
>> started
>>> >> their
>>> >> > own
>>> >> > social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks are
still
>> here.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Rummy
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern Standard
Time,
>>> >> > michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal Rhodes
> owner
>> since
>>> >> > 1996. I have not been active on the list in several years. It is
>>> >> > definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of miss
>>> >> the
>>> >> barroom
>>> >> > mentality of the old list.
>>> >> > I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I bought
> from
>>> >> > Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a great
> deal
>> and
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in 2000,
> but
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > another story. I like to tell people that I liked the boat so
> much I
>>> >> > bought
>>> >> > it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC when
it
>> needs
>>> >> > work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
> business
>> I
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > ever dealt with and they still do good work!
>>> >> > I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of service.
> I
>>> >> > retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va at
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat at
the
>> Old
>>> >> > Point
>>> >> > Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is about 22
> miles
>> from
>>> >> > Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily singlehand
>> which
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the Southern
>> Chesapeake
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes out of
>> Middle
>>> >> > River
>>> >> > near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and Washington
> DC
>> on
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a great
>> costal
>>> >> and
>>> >> > inland pocket cruiser!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mike Corley
>>> >> > S/V Ranger
>>> >> > 99 Rhodes
>>> >> > Hampton Roads, Va
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