[Rhodes22-list] rum tank in laz
Chris Cowie
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Thu Nov 18 17:43:52 EST 2010
Rummy:
Where do you store your Rum?
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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
R22RumRunner at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:56 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
Ben,
As all the old timers know, this is an old, rehashed topic that Benny
brought up just to get the list talking again. I certainly understand
everyone's
concerns, but tell me, where's the source of ignition in the lazz? I
still
maintain that there is plenty of ventilation, even after looking at the
CC
regulations.
Rummy
In a message dated 11/18/2010 2:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
Rummy and Charles and Whoever;
I am very apart from Mike politically. However, let me say this as
gently
as
I can. GET THOSE FREAKING GAS CANS OUT OF THE LAZARETTE THIS VERY
MINUTE!!!!
Are you suicidal? Are you just so stubborn that you are willing to die
rather than be reasonable? Whether the laz is "air tight" or "water
tight"
means nothing. It is incredibly dangerous to store gasoline in that
small
enclosed space. Get it the heck out of there. You can only play
"russian
roulette" for so long before you get a bullet in the head.
And, yes, the parents of that little girl who exploited her by letting
her
sail around the world belong in jail, too!
your devoted colleague,
BenC
Ben Schultz wrote:
>
> Right on. Mission accomplished. When I get bored again, I'll have
to
go
> back a decade and find another topic that used to get us fired up!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D.
> Weisner
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:47
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
>
> Hey Rummy,
>
> Ben was bored so he threw a lit match into a tank of gas. Charles
took
> the
> bait. Da list responds. You ... nevermind. Ben, be careful what
you
> wish
> for.
>
> I prefer to live to sail another day. I have even donned a life vest
in
> rough seas, lately. I must be growing up or something. It is truly
a
> terrible thing, this getting older business.
>
> Sail safe and make sure that your passengers are of a like mind.
Their
> lives are in your hands.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:35 AM
>> Mike,
>> And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really expect
me
>> to
>> live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than the
rest
>> of
>> the planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere?
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
>>
>> Rummy,
>>
>> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe
>> condition. Please review the USCG site
>>
>
http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg
.asp
> x
>> with particular attention to the
>> following portion:
>> Portable Fuel Tanks
>> Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers
are
>> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
>>
>> Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel
tank
>> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel
tank
>> vents
>> into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is
required.
>>
>> Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment,
gasoline
>> vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a
>> compartment
>
>> that
>> will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a
compartment.
Any
>> openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit
explosive
>> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition source
might
>> ignite
>> the vapors.
>>
>> The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
>>
>> (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
>> ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
>> to the atmosphere;
>> and
>>
>> (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or
exhaust
>> duct(s) to the atmosphere.
>>
>> Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the
boat:
>> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15
square
>> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each
cubic
>> foot
>> of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this
requirement
>> while
>> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with the
cabin
>> interior and bilge through wiring channels. These ventilation
>> requirements
>> also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging
(solar
or
>> otherwise) in confined spaces.
>> For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs
of
>> the
>> Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
>>
>> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat
Builders"
>> which I have found very useful over the years is available at:
>>
>>
>
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardb
oatb
>> uilders.pdf
>>
>> Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with lives.
Many
>> of
>> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
>>> Charles,
>>> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty
years.
I
>>> moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which
places
an
>>> electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz
is
>> not air
>>> tight and if you look under both seats you will see large
openings
>> which
>>> provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried
that I
>> was going to
>>> blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to
drink
>> like
>>> crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time
and
>>> never had a problem with gas fumes.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the
only
>> Rhodie
>>> in these parts so you probably won't even hear the
explosion......I
>> do't
>>> have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a
stove? I
>> don't
>>> have one of those either.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving the
>>> tank.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>> s/v Blue Feather
>>> 84 R 22 ... recycled 96
>>>
>>>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in
laz
>>>>
>>>> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes ...
>>>>
>>>> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly explosive.
Since
>>> the
>>>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store
gasoline. I
>> have
>>>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a
problem
>>> where at
>>>> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)? Please
do
>>>> not
>>
>>>> store it in the cabin.
>>>>
>>>> Where do you sail,again?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's
this
>>> about
>>>> > keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I
have
>>> always
>>>> > kept mine .... is this a problem????
>>>> >
>>>> > Charles
>>>> >
>>>> >> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
>>>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate
rants.
>>> Thoughts
>>>> >> on
>>>> >> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs
really
>>> exist?
>>>> >> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least
keeping
>>> their
>>>> >> gas
>>>> >> tank in the lazerette?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Watching and waiting from BR,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ben
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Geoff
>> Farrell
>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
>>>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thank God... on both counts.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Mike.
>>>> >> > Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a
>> separation
>>> of
>>>> >> > sailing from politics. The political people left the list
and
>>> started
>>>> >> their
>>>> >> > own
>>>> >> > social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks are
>>>> still
>>> here.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Rummy
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern
Standard
>>>> Time,
>>>> >> > michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal
Rhodes
>> owner
>>> since
>>>> >> > 1996. I have not been active on the list in several years.
It
is
>>>> >> > definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of
miss
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> barroom
>>>> >> > mentality of the old list.
>>>> >> > I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I
bought
>> from
>>>> >> > Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a
great
>> deal
>>> and
>>>> >> > I
>>>> >> > traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in
2000,
>> but
>>>> >> > that
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> > another story. I like to tell people that I liked the boat
so
>> much I
>>>> >> > bought
>>>> >> > it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC
when
>>>> it
>>> needs
>>>> >> > work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
>> business
>>> I
>>>> >> > have
>>>> >> > ever dealt with and they still do good work!
>>>> >> > I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of
service.
>> I
>>>> >> > retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va
at
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat
at
>>>> the
>>> Old
>>>> >> > Point
>>>> >> > Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is about
22
>> miles
>>> from
>>>> >> > Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily
singlehand
>>> which
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> > easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the
Southern
>>> Chesapeake
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes
out
of
>>> Middle
>>>> >> > River
>>>> >> > near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and
Washington
>> DC
>>> on
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a
great
>>> costal
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> > inland pocket cruiser!
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Mike Corley
>>>> >> > S/V Ranger
>>>> >> > 99 Rhodes
>>>> >> > Hampton Roads, Va
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