[Rhodes22-list] rum tank in laz
Ben Schultz
benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
Thu Nov 18 17:49:53 EST 2010
I've sailed with Rummy. It doesn't last long enough to store.
On Nov 18, 2010, at 16:43, "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> Rummy:
>
>
>
> Where do you store your Rum?
>
>
>
> Christopher P. Cowie
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>
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> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
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> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> R22RumRunner at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
>
>
>
> Ben,
> As all the old timers know, this is an old, rehashed topic that Benny
> brought up just to get the list talking again. I certainly understand
> everyone's
> concerns, but tell me, where's the source of ignition in the lazz? I
> still
> maintain that there is plenty of ventilation, even after looking at the
> CC
> regulations.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 11/18/2010 2:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Rummy and Charles and Whoever;
>
> I am very apart from Mike politically. However, let me say this as
> gently
> as
> I can. GET THOSE FREAKING GAS CANS OUT OF THE LAZARETTE THIS VERY
> MINUTE!!!!
> Are you suicidal? Are you just so stubborn that you are willing to die
> rather than be reasonable? Whether the laz is "air tight" or "water
> tight"
> means nothing. It is incredibly dangerous to store gasoline in that
> small
> enclosed space. Get it the heck out of there. You can only play
> "russian
> roulette" for so long before you get a bullet in the head.
>
> And, yes, the parents of that little girl who exploited her by letting
> her
> sail around the world belong in jail, too!
>
> your devoted colleague,
>
> BenC
>
> Ben Schultz wrote:
>>
>> Right on. Mission accomplished. When I get bored again, I'll have
> to
> go
>> back a decade and find another topic that used to get us fired up!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D.
>> Weisner
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:47
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
>>
>> Hey Rummy,
>>
>> Ben was bored so he threw a lit match into a tank of gas. Charles
> took
>> the
>> bait. Da list responds. You ... nevermind. Ben, be careful what
> you
>> wish
>> for.
>>
>> I prefer to live to sail another day. I have even donned a life vest
> in
>> rough seas, lately. I must be growing up or something. It is truly
> a
>> terrible thing, this getting older business.
>>
>> Sail safe and make sure that your passengers are of a like mind.
> Their
>> lives are in your hands.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:35 AM
>>> Mike,
>>> And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really expect
> me
>>> to
>>> live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than the
> rest
>>> of
>>> the planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere?
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
>>>
>>> Rummy,
>>>
>>> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe
>>> condition. Please review the USCG site
>>>
>>
> http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg
> .asp
>> x
>>> with particular attention to the
>>> following portion:
>>> Portable Fuel Tanks
>>> Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers
> are
>>> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
>>>
>>> Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel
> tank
>>> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel
> tank
>>> vents
>>> into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is
> required.
>>>
>>> Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment,
> gasoline
>>> vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a
>>> compartment
>>
>>> that
>>> will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a
> compartment.
> Any
>>> openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit
> explosive
>>> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition source
> might
>>> ignite
>>> the vapors.
>>>
>>> The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
>>>
>>> (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
>>> ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
>>> to the atmosphere;
>>> and
>>>
>>> (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or
> exhaust
>>> duct(s) to the atmosphere.
>>>
>>> Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the
> boat:
>>> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15
> square
>>> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each
> cubic
>>> foot
>>> of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this
> requirement
>>> while
>>> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with the
> cabin
>>> interior and bilge through wiring channels. These ventilation
>>> requirements
>>> also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging
> (solar
> or
>>> otherwise) in confined spaces.
>>> For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs
> of
>>> the
>>> Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
>>>
>>> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat
> Builders"
>>> which I have found very useful over the years is available at:
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardb
> oatb
>>> uilders.pdf
>>>
>>> Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with lives.
> Many
>>> of
>>> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
>>>> Charles,
>>>> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty
> years.
> I
>>>> moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which
> places
> an
>>>> electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz
> is
>>> not air
>>>> tight and if you look under both seats you will see large
> openings
>>> which
>>>> provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried
> that I
>>> was going to
>>>> blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to
> drink
>>> like
>>>> crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time
> and
>>>> never had a problem with gas fumes.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the
> only
>>> Rhodie
>>>> in these parts so you probably won't even hear the
> explosion......I
>>> do't
>>>> have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a
> stove? I
>>> don't
>>>> have one of those either.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving the
>>>> tank.
>>>>
>>>> Charles
>>>> s/v Blue Feather
>>>> 84 R 22 ... recycled 96
>>>>
>>>>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in
> laz
>>>>>
>>>>> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly explosive.
> Since
>>>> the
>>>>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store
> gasoline. I
>>> have
>>>>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a
> problem
>>>> where at
>>>>> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)? Please
> do
>>>>> not
>>>
>>>>> store it in the cabin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you sail,again?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's
> this
>>>> about
>>>>>> keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I
> have
>>>> always
>>>>>> kept mine .... is this a problem????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate
> rants.
>>>> Thoughts
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs
> really
>>>> exist?
>>>>>>> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least
> keeping
>>>> their
>>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>> tank in the lazerette?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watching and waiting from BR,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Geoff
>>> Farrell
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank God... on both counts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>> Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a
>>> separation
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> sailing from politics. The political people left the list
> and
>>>> started
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>> social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks are
>>>>> still
>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern
> Standard
>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>> michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal
> Rhodes
>>> owner
>>>> since
>>>>>>>> 1996. I have not been active on the list in several years.
> It
> is
>>>>>>>> definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of
> miss
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> barroom
>>>>>>>> mentality of the old list.
>>>>>>>> I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I
> bought
>>> from
>>>>>>>> Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a
> great
>>> deal
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in
> 2000,
>>> but
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> another story. I like to tell people that I liked the boat
> so
>>> much I
>>>>>>>> bought
>>>>>>>> it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC
> when
>>>>> it
>>>> needs
>>>>>>>> work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
>>> business
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> ever dealt with and they still do good work!
>>>>>>>> I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of
> service.
>>> I
>>>>>>>> retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va
> at
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat
> at
>>>>> the
>>>> Old
>>>>>>>> Point
>>>>>>>> Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is about
> 22
>>> miles
>>>> from
>>>>>>>> Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily
> singlehand
>>>> which
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the
> Southern
>>>> Chesapeake
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes
> out
> of
>>>> Middle
>>>>>>>> River
>>>>>>>> near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and
> Washington
>>> DC
>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a
> great
>>>> costal
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> inland pocket cruiser!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike Corley
>>>>>>>> S/V Ranger
>>>>>>>> 99 Rhodes
>>>>>>>> Hampton Roads, Va
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