[Rhodes22-list] laz politics
Michael D. Weisner
mweisner at ebsmed.com
Thu Nov 18 18:59:00 EST 2010
Ben C.,
The even money is on Palin vs Obama with an assured 2nd term as a result in
'12. I agree about Andy C but I think '16 is more likely. I'll watch from
here.
Don't forget, Carl Paladino is I-A! Some say we have not heard the last
from him. Oy!
There you go, Ben S., you even got political comments!
Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: "BenCittadino" Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:44 PM
>
>
>
> My only thoughts are static electricity and cell phone electricity. (
> again,
> I see, agreeing w/ MikeW ).
>
> Of course I do have the electric lift for my Y9.9, and wiring for my depth
> sounder transducer, all routed through the laz.
>
> Mike, we did what we could do and re-elected Rush Holt D-NJ(12) in my
> district. I'm actually going to enjoy watching the Teapublicans learn to
> do
> more than sulk in the corner and say "No".
>
> Cuomo for President 2012! First Italian-American.
>
> BenC
>
>
>
> Ben Schultz wrote:
>>
>> I've sailed with Rummy. It doesn't last long enough to store.
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2010, at 16:43, "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rummy:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where do you store your Rum?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>>> Suite 300
>>> Washington, DC 20007
>>> 202.342.2711
>>> 202.342.2691 fax
>>> 202.270.1470 mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>>
>>> cowieassociates.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:56 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben,
>>> As all the old timers know, this is an old, rehashed topic that Benny
>>> brought up just to get the list talking again. I certainly understand
>>> everyone's
>>> concerns, but tell me, where's the source of ignition in the lazz? I
>>> still
>>> maintain that there is plenty of ventilation, even after looking at the
>>> CC
>>> regulations.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 2:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Rummy and Charles and Whoever;
>>>
>>> I am very apart from Mike politically. However, let me say this as
>>> gently
>>> as
>>> I can. GET THOSE FREAKING GAS CANS OUT OF THE LAZARETTE THIS VERY
>>> MINUTE!!!!
>>> Are you suicidal? Are you just so stubborn that you are willing to die
>>> rather than be reasonable? Whether the laz is "air tight" or "water
>>> tight"
>>> means nothing. It is incredibly dangerous to store gasoline in that
>>> small
>>> enclosed space. Get it the heck out of there. You can only play
>>> "russian
>>> roulette" for so long before you get a bullet in the head.
>>>
>>> And, yes, the parents of that little girl who exploited her by letting
>>> her
>>> sail around the world belong in jail, too!
>>>
>>> your devoted colleague,
>>>
>>> BenC
>>>
>>> Ben Schultz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Right on. Mission accomplished. When I get bored again, I'll have
>>> to
>>> go
>>>> back a decade and find another topic that used to get us fired up!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D.
>>>> Weisner
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:47
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
>>>>
>>>> Hey Rummy,
>>>>
>>>> Ben was bored so he threw a lit match into a tank of gas. Charles
>>> took
>>>> the
>>>> bait. Da list responds. You ... nevermind. Ben, be careful what
>>> you
>>>> wish
>>>> for.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to live to sail another day. I have even donned a life vest
>>> in
>>>> rough seas, lately. I must be growing up or something. It is truly
>>> a
>>>> terrible thing, this getting older business.
>>>>
>>>> Sail safe and make sure that your passengers are of a like mind.
>>> Their
>>>> lives are in your hands.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:35 AM
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>> And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really expect
>>> me
>>>>> to
>>>>> live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than the
>>> rest
>>>>> of
>>>>> the planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe
>>>>> condition. Please review the USCG site
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg
>>> .asp
>>>> x
>>>>> with particular attention to the
>>>>> following portion:
>>>>> Portable Fuel Tanks
>>>>> Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers
>>> are
>>>>> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel
>>> tank
>>>>> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel
>>> tank
>>>>> vents
>>>>> into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is
>>> required.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment,
>>> gasoline
>>>>> vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a
>>>>> compartment
>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>> will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a
>>> compartment.
>>> Any
>>>>> openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit
>>> explosive
>>>>> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition source
>>> might
>>>>> ignite
>>>>> the vapors.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
>>>>> ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
>>>>> to the atmosphere;
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or
>>> exhaust
>>>>> duct(s) to the atmosphere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the
>>> boat:
>>>>> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15
>>> square
>>>>> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each
>>> cubic
>>>>> foot
>>>>> of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this
>>> requirement
>>>>> while
>>>>> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with the
>>> cabin
>>>>> interior and bilge through wiring channels. These ventilation
>>>>> requirements
>>>>> also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging
>>> (solar
>>> or
>>>>> otherwise) in confined spaces.
>>>>> For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs
>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
>>>>>
>>>>> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat
>>> Builders"
>>>>> which I have found very useful over the years is available at:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardb
>>> oatb
>>>>> uilders.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with lives.
>>> Many
>>>>> of
>>>>> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
>>>>>> Charles,
>>>>>> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty
>>> years.
>>> I
>>>>>> moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which
>>> places
>>> an
>>>>>> electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz
>>> is
>>>>> not air
>>>>>> tight and if you look under both seats you will see large
>>> openings
>>>>> which
>>>>>> provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried
>>> that I
>>>>> was going to
>>>>>> blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to
>>> drink
>>>>> like
>>>>>> crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time
>>> and
>>>>>> never had a problem with gas fumes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the
>>> only
>>>>> Rhodie
>>>>>> in these parts so you probably won't even hear the
>>> explosion......I
>>>>> do't
>>>>>> have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a
>>> stove? I
>>>>> don't
>>>>>> have one of those either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving the
>>>>>> tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charles
>>>>>> s/v Blue Feather
>>>>>> 84 R 22 ... recycled 96
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in
>>> laz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly explosive.
>>> Since
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store
>>> gasoline. I
>>>>> have
>>>>>>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a
>>> problem
>>>>>> where at
>>>>>>> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)? Please
>>> do
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>>>> store it in the cabin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do you sail,again?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's
>>> this
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I
>>> have
>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>> kept mine .... is this a problem????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charles
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
>>>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate
>>> rants.
>>>>>> Thoughts
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs
>>> really
>>>>>> exist?
>>>>>>>>> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least
>>> keeping
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>>>> tank in the lazerette?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Watching and waiting from BR,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Geoff
>>>>> Farrell
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank God... on both counts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a
>>>>> separation
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> sailing from politics. The political people left the list
>>> and
>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>> social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks are
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern
>>> Standard
>>>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>>>> michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal
>>> Rhodes
>>>>> owner
>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>> 1996. I have not been active on the list in several years.
>>> It
>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of
>>> miss
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> barroom
>>>>>>>>>> mentality of the old list.
>>>>>>>>>> I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I
>>> bought
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a
>>> great
>>>>> deal
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in
>>> 2000,
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> another story. I like to tell people that I liked the boat
>>> so
>>>>> much I
>>>>>>>>>> bought
>>>>>>>>>> it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC
>>> when
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>>> work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
>>>>> business
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> ever dealt with and they still do good work!
>>>>>>>>>> I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of
>>> service.
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va
>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat
>>> at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Old
>>>>>>>>>> Point
>>>>>>>>>> Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is about
>>> 22
>>>>> miles
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily
>>> singlehand
>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the
>>> Southern
>>>>>> Chesapeake
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes
>>> out
>>> of
>>>>>> Middle
>>>>>>>>>> River
>>>>>>>>>> near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and
>>> Washington
>>>>> DC
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a
>>> great
>>>>>> costal
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> inland pocket cruiser!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Corley
>>>>>>>>>> S/V Ranger
>>>>>>>>>> 99 Rhodes
>>>>>>>>>> Hampton Roads, Va
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