[Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped

Hank hnw555 at gmail.com
Tue Sep 13 13:25:37 EDT 2011


Rick,

I used this stuff on a different boat and it worked really well. Depends on
how bad the rot is.

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=11151&partNumber=105155&langId=-1

Hank

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rummy,
>
> Replacing the wood under the mast doesn't require a complete deck tear
> down.  At least it didn't on my '93.  There is a separate plank under the
> mast step twice as thick as the plywood deck core and attached to the
> framing for the forward bulkhead.
>
> The problem is, the wood supporting the mast step plate is very vulnerable
> to water penetration due to the screws. Once wood gets wet, it rots.  Epoxy
> can't cure rot.
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Replacing the wood is out of the question. That would require a complete
> > tear down of the deck and I don't think any of us want to do that.
> Filling
> > the  holes with epoxy, allowing to dry and then drill new holes is the
> best
> > way to  approach this. 3m4200 is an adhesive and I don't think it will
> flow
> > readily  enough to fill the gaps and voids. I've had my Rhodes now for
> > almost
> > twenty  years and I have never ever damaged the mast step. Perhaps its
> > because I don't  lower the mast to the stern. I lower it to the bow,
> > eliminating
> > the possibility  of damage to the step. If you have the factory mast
> crane
> > you must lower it to  the stern. Just make certain the mast comes down on
> > the
> > mast crutch  or you will damage the pop top and the step. Also, don't
> > forget to disconnect the pop top slider. :)
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/13/2011 11:21:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > I agree 4200 would be a good temporary fix until  tackling replacement of
> > the
> > wood.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011  at 10:28 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Rick,
> > >  Yes, you want to use something that will shear off.  I believe 3M 4200
> > is
> > > the preferred product.  You want something that can be  disassembled
> > (i.e.,
> > > will break loose) if need be.  If you think  about it, you only want
> the
> > > screws and adhesive to keep the mast step  stationary while there is
> some
> > > horizontal force on it when the mast is  first raised.  - rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=21590&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=10104&subdeptNum=
> > 10325&classNum=10327
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> > >  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:40 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email  List
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped
> > >
> > >  Rummy,
> > >
> > > I did this repair using epoxy.  The subsequent  tear-off of the plate
> > caused
> > > extensive damage, including a crack that  ran all the way to a cabin
> > rail.
> > >
> > > Are you sure Stan uses  epoxy?  I suspect he uses something with shear
> > > strength more  approaching wood.  Plus, the underlying wood can't have
> > rot
> > > and  there can't be any voids between the wood and gelcoat.
> > >
> > >  Rick
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:00 AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rick,
> > > >  I'm not sure where you are going with this. The repair that has been
> > >  >  mentio
> > > > ned has been done by many Rhodies over the  years. It is the best way
> > to
> > > > repair the step. It is the repair  that Stan uses at the factory.
> > > >
> > > > Rummy
> > >  >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 9/12/2011 11:08:29 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
> > >  >
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > > Your problem won't be the  epoxy holding with careful  raising and
> > lower
> > > of
> > > >  your mast.  Your problem will be the damage done  by the epoxy when
> > you
> > > > have
> > > > another mishap.
> > > >
> > > >  Rick
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep  12, 2011 at 9:08 PM, David  Craft <Chsyhkr at gmail.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  >
> > > > > Rob,
> > > > >
> > > > > I was raising  the mast from  the back using the crutch that hangs
> > off
> > >  the
> > > > > transom.
> > > > >
> > > > >  As we  started to raise the mast, we realized we need to manuever
> > the
> > >  >  jib
> > > > > around a shroud.   He set the mast  down on back rail and  not back
> > in
> > > the
> > > > >  crutch.  It was enough leverage, with the pop top  acting as a
> > fulcrum
> > > to
> > > > > pop
> > > > > the plate  off.
> > > > >
> > > > > I  drilled out the holes  today.  The wood is damp but not
> > >  deteriorating.
> > >  >  I
> > > > > think it treated Southern Yellow Pine.   It  will be dry for a week
> > > here,
> > > > > enough time  for it dry well before  repairing.  The glass is
> intact,
> > >  > except
> > > > > for one spot around the  fore screw.   A quarter size piece, about
> > half
> > > > the
> > > > >  thickness  popped out.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the  epoxy repair should last for a good  while with
> careful
> > > >  raising
> > > > > and lowering......
> > > > >
> > > >  > David  Craft
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >  >
> > > > > Rob Lowe wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > >  >  > David,
> > > > > > Was this when you were raising  or lowering the  mast?  Which
> > > direction
> > > >  to
> > > > > > you lower to?  - rob
> > > > >   >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >  From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > > > >   [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David
> > >  Craft
> > > > >  > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:45  PM
> > > > > > To: Rhodes  List
> > > > > >  Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped
> > > > >  >
> > >  > > > While setting our mast at a local lake the mast step  popped
>  off
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > screws somewhat  stripped.  We reset it and  raised it carefully
> > > >  figuring
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > the weight  would  help hold it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While  taking it down, it popped again,  necessitating the repair
> I
> > > >  > expected
> > > > > > when it popped the  first  time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The boat is a 89, recycled  in  08.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The step is secured  with three 1 inch  screws.   I am thinking
> of
> > > >  drilling
> > > > > > out the holes,  repairing with  epoxy,  drilling new pilot holes,
> > and
> > > > > >   resetting.   I have heard suggestions from inserting lugs  to
> > >  drilling
> > > > all
> > > > > > the way  through and using bolts and nuts.  The  wall for the
> head
> > is
> > >  a
> > > > > > support below the step, so drilling  through is  not advisable.
> >  Can
> > > > longer
> > > > > > screws  be  used?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Advice is  appreciated as I need to make this  repair in the next
> > two
> > > >  > weeks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > >  >  > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David  B. Craft
> > > > > >  Greensboro, NC
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