[Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)

Michael D. Weisner mweisner at ebsmed.com
Sun Jul 15 15:33:28 EDT 2012


Joe,

Bilge pumps use a standard wiring code: Black=negative, Brown=12V positive.
The red wire is probably either for an indicator or an override.  The
attached diagram shows what is typically inside the pump.  The lead labeled
+12V (switched) is most likely your red lead.  The switched lead is
generally attached to a lighted switch which illuminates when the float
switch turns on and can be used to supply power (+12V) directly to the pump
to operate it when the water level is too low for the float switch.  To test
the pump float switch just put it in a pail of water.

Mike
s/v <-no name -> ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:45 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)

Chris:

     I suppose the centerboard hose is a possibility.  But there were (I've
upped my estimate) over thirty gallons of water I pumped overboard.  The
pennant hose may have accounted for some of that, but not all. I am
convinced that the water found a variety of sources of ingress.  However it
got in, the ultimate conclusion remains unchanged... I have to deal with the
situation, now and in the future.

     By the way (anyone) I am trying to wire a small bilge pump for use when
I am off the boat.  I want to plug it into my 12v power point with a
cigarette lighter plug, but I can't get it to power up.  There are three
leads off the pump: a red, a black and  brown, and there are no wiring
instructions in the package.  I assume that the brown is for an external
switch, which I won't need, since the pump has a self contained float switch
.  But the pump seems to want something besides red and black to make it
perform.  Any ideas? Thanks.

Joe Camp



>________________________________
> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
> 
>You know,
>    Has anyone mention the possibility of the centerboard pennant hose?
>What was that phrase? "Loose clamps Sink Ships"
>Chris G
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:45 PM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>
>
>I agree with Chris that polysulfide is best for below water-line, thru 
>hull fittings.  I have more than I can count on my boat and changed 
>from 5200 to polysulfide for the simple reason that PS flexes and 5200 
>doesn't.  When trailering, launching and retrieving the boat it helps 
>to have something that flexes and holds.  I had some leaks and went 
>with PS about 8 yrs ago and it has been flawless. As for the leak, I am 
>betting on the centerboard trunk.BK
>> From: napoli68 at charter.net
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:04:28 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> 
>> Silicon Sealant, marine or otherwise, should not be used below the 
>> water line.  The best thing to use if you want a polyurethane sealant 
>> is one called "thru hull sealant" or something like that, 3M may make 
>> it. I use a polysulfide sealant like "Lifecaulk" and I can say it 
>> last at least 30
>years
>> personal experience.
>> Chris G
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Goodness
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> 
>> My cockpit drain fitting was bedded in goopy silicone adhesive.  Its 
>> ugly and excessive.  This isnt standard is it?  I should replace with 
>> 3m 5200 shouldnt i?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "Michael D. Weisner" 
>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > At one time I had water leaking in at the thru hull fitting for the
>> cockpit
>> > drain on my '81.  The level in the laz never rose more than an inch 
>> > or
>two
>> > when on the hook.  When sailing, quite a bit more water was found 
>> > in the
>> laz
>> > at the end of the day.  I found that the gasket around the fitting 
>> > had disintegrated over time (30 years).
>> > 
>> > I snugged the nut to the bottom of the laz BY HAND, not wanting to
>> fracture
>> > the fiberglass around the fitting nor the 30 year-old nylon 
>> > fitting.  I
>> was
>> > able to complete the season without a tremendous amount of water in 
>> > the
>> laz.
>> > During the winter layup I replaced the thru hull fitting, the hose 
>> > and
>the
>> > two clamps, rebedding both fittings.  Never had another problem.
>> > 
>> > Mike
>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> > s/v <- no name -> ('91)
>> > Nissequogue River, NY
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:21 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> > 
>> > Joe,
>> > There will be some water visible in the cockpit drain when viewed 
>> > from
>the
>> > cockpit.  I'm with Mary Lou in that if you are getting water into 
>> > the
>boat
>> > with no rain, wind, or heeling; there are two likely places.  The 
>> > centerboard housing, which is unlikely if you haven't taken it 
>> > apart
>> lately,
>> > and the cockpit drain.  Take a real close look at the hose and thru 
>> > hull
>> of
>> > the cockpit drain hose which you get to through the laz.  The hose 
>> > looks like radiation hose with a couple of hose clamps on it.  A 
>> > loose clamp
>or
>> a
>> > worn hose may be an issue.  Good luck! - rob
>> > 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:10 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> > 
>> > Mary Lou:
>> > 
>> >      There is some standing water I noticed in the deck cockpit drain.
>> I'd
>> > never noticed any there before, though maybe I missed it previously.
>Sink
>> > drain looks fine, but could stand a close inspection. Everyone has 
>> > given
>> me
>> > excellent information with which to investigate a variety of 
>> > causes.  I suppose, now is the time to make up a checklist and 
>> > begin to tic off possible sources.  Tally ho!  Thanks to all.
>> > 
>> > Joe
>>>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:20 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> >> 
>> >> Hmm. No rain, not much wind or did you have rain up there? If not.... 
>> >> What do you have for through hulls? Check the aft cockpit drain. 
>> >> The tube for it goes through the lazarette. Check your sink drain 
>> >> fittings though that is above water and only ships water on a heel 
>> >> (water will get into the boat if the drain hose is loose and the 
>> >> boat heels). The only other culprit that I can think of is the 
>> >> centerboard housing but if you haven't had it apart recently and 
>> >> it didn't leak before, it's unlikely to leak now. I suppose it's 
>> >> possible that water is still running into the low spot from when you
got swamped.
>> >> 
>> >> Good luck in tracking it down.
>> >> 
>> >> Mary Lou
>> >> 1991 R22 Fretless
>> >> Rock Hall, MD
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> At 09:07 PM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
>> >>> Hi Gang:
>> >>> 
>> >>>       You may remember, in the last episode, Joe had faced the  
>> >>>heartbreak of a wet boat.  In this installment, he reports that,  
>> >>>despite pumping and sponging water, more seems to replace what has  
>> >>>been removed from the bilge.  It's not a flood, but it keeps  
>> >>>showing  up when he goes to the boat or sails.
>> >>> 
>> >>>       What culprit has gained control of circumstances?  Is the 
>> >>>boat  afflicted by an unseen crack in the hull?  Is there some 
>> >>>hiding  place
>
>> >>> from which water seeps? How long will our hero have to battle  
>> >>> the errant water?  Is he just a rube being cruelly played by the  
>> >>> forces of nature?  The only way to find out is to discern the  
>> >>> answer yourselves and help the hapless Joe.  So, break out your  
>> >>> decoder rings and solve this problem. Then tell Joe (in a 
>> >>> non-coded
>> >>> message) what the hell is up with this.  Until next time, Rhodes
>> Rangers!
>> >>> 
>> >>> Joe Camp
>> >>> s/v John Dawson
>> >>> Earleville, MD.
>> >>> 
>> >>> P.S.  Who is the red hulled Rhodes on a mooring at Bohemia Bay
Marina?
>
>> >>> I see you there.
>> >>> 
>> >>> j
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