[Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)

Joe Camp jjcampjr at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 15 19:55:31 EDT 2012


OK, I get it:  BROWN is the positive lead.  So, w/o a switch, do I tie the red into the brown or just snip and tape it?

Thanks y'all.

Joe


>________________________________
> From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
> 
>Joe,
>
>Bilge pumps use a standard wiring code: Black=negative, Brown=12V positive.
>The red wire is probably either for an indicator or an override.  The
>attached diagram shows what is typically inside the pump.  The lead labeled
>+12V (switched) is most likely your red lead.  The switched lead is
>generally attached to a lighted switch which illuminates when the float
>switch turns on and can be used to supply power (+12V) directly to the pump
>to operate it when the water level is too low for the float switch.  To test
>the pump float switch just put it in a pail of water.
>
>Mike
>s/v <-no name -> ('91)
>Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:45 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>
>Chris:
>
>     I suppose the centerboard hose is a possibility.  But there were (I've
>upped my estimate) over thirty gallons of water I pumped overboard.  The
>pennant hose may have accounted for some of that, but not all. I am
>convinced that the water found a variety of sources of ingress.  However it
>got in, the ultimate conclusion remains unchanged... I have to deal with the
>situation, now and in the future.
>
>     By the way (anyone) I am trying to wire a small bilge pump for use when
>I am off the boat.  I want to plug it into my 12v power point with a
>cigarette lighter plug, but I can't get it to power up.  There are three
>leads off the pump: a red, a black and  brown, and there are no wiring
>instructions in the package.  I assume that the brown is for an external
>switch, which I won't need, since the pump has a self contained float switch
>.  But the pump seems to want something besides red and black to make it
>perform.  Any ideas? Thanks.
>
>Joe Camp
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>>To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:03 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> 
>>You know,
>>    Has anyone mention the possibility of the centerboard pennant hose?
>>What was that phrase? "Loose clamps Sink Ships"
>>Chris G
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:45 PM
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>
>>
>>I agree with Chris that polysulfide is best for below water-line, thru 
>>hull fittings.  I have more than I can count on my boat and changed 
>>from 5200 to polysulfide for the simple reason that PS flexes and 5200 
>>doesn't.  When trailering, launching and retrieving the boat it helps 
>>to have something that flexes and holds.  I had some leaks and went 
>>with PS about 8 yrs ago and it has been flawless. As for the leak, I am 
>>betting on the centerboard trunk.BK
>>> From: napoli68 at charter.net
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:04:28 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> 
>>> Silicon Sealant, marine or otherwise, should not be used below the 
>>> water line.  The best thing to use if you want a polyurethane sealant 
>>> is one called "thru hull sealant" or something like that, 3M may make 
>>> it. I use a polysulfide sealant like "Lifecaulk" and I can say it 
>>> last at least 30
>>years
>>> personal experience.
>>> Chris G
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Goodness
>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:50 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> 
>>> My cockpit drain fitting was bedded in goopy silicone adhesive.  Its 
>>> ugly and excessive.  This isnt standard is it?  I should replace with 
>>> 3m 5200 shouldnt i?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "Michael D. Weisner" 
>>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > At one time I had water leaking in at the thru hull fitting for the
>>> cockpit
>>> > drain on my '81.  The level in the laz never rose more than an inch 
>>> > or
>>two
>>> > when on the hook.  When sailing, quite a bit more water was found 
>>> > in the
>>> laz
>>> > at the end of the day.  I found that the gasket around the fitting 
>>> > had disintegrated over time (30 years).
>>> > 
>>> > I snugged the nut to the bottom of the laz BY HAND, not wanting to
>>> fracture
>>> > the fiberglass around the fitting nor the 30 year-old nylon 
>>> > fitting.  I
>>> was
>>> > able to complete the season without a tremendous amount of water in 
>>> > the
>>> laz.
>>> > During the winter layup I replaced the thru hull fitting, the hose 
>>> > and
>>the
>>> > two clamps, rebedding both fittings.  Never had another problem.
>>> > 
>>> > Mike
>>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> > s/v <- no name -> ('91)
>>> > Nissequogue River, NY
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
>>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:21 PM
>>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> > 
>>> > Joe,
>>> > There will be some water visible in the cockpit drain when viewed 
>>> > from
>>the
>>> > cockpit.  I'm with Mary Lou in that if you are getting water into 
>>> > the
>>boat
>>> > with no rain, wind, or heeling; there are two likely places.  The 
>>> > centerboard housing, which is unlikely if you haven't taken it 
>>> > apart
>>> lately,
>>> > and the cockpit drain.  Take a real close look at the hose and thru 
>>> > hull
>>> of
>>> > the cockpit drain hose which you get to through the laz.  The hose 
>>> > looks like radiation hose with a couple of hose clamps on it.  A 
>>> > loose clamp
>>or
>>> a
>>> > worn hose may be an issue.  Good luck! - rob
>>> > 
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:10 PM
>>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> > 
>>> > Mary Lou:
>>> > 
>>> >      There is some standing water I noticed in the deck cockpit drain.
>>> I'd
>>> > never noticed any there before, though maybe I missed it previously.
>>Sink
>>> > drain looks fine, but could stand a close inspection. Everyone has 
>>> > given
>>> me
>>> > excellent information with which to investigate a variety of 
>>> > causes.  I suppose, now is the time to make up a checklist and 
>>> > begin to tic off possible sources.  Tally ho!  Thanks to all.
>>> > 
>>> > Joe
>>>>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> >> ________________________________
>>> >> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:20 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> >> 
>>> >> Hmm. No rain, not much wind or did you have rain up there? If not.... 
>>> >> What do you have for through hulls? Check the aft cockpit drain. 
>>> >> The tube for it goes through the lazarette. Check your sink drain 
>>> >> fittings though that is above water and only ships water on a heel 
>>> >> (water will get into the boat if the drain hose is loose and the 
>>> >> boat heels). The only other culprit that I can think of is the 
>>> >> centerboard housing but if you haven't had it apart recently and 
>>> >> it didn't leak before, it's unlikely to leak now. I suppose it's 
>>> >> possible that water is still running into the low spot from when you
>got swamped.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Good luck in tracking it down.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Mary Lou
>>> >> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> >> Rock Hall, MD
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> At 09:07 PM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
>>> >>> Hi Gang:
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>       You may remember, in the last episode, Joe had faced the  
>>> >>>heartbreak of a wet boat.  In this installment, he reports that,  
>>> >>>despite pumping and sponging water, more seems to replace what has  
>>> >>>been removed from the bilge.  It's not a flood, but it keeps  
>>> >>>showing  up when he goes to the boat or sails.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>       What culprit has gained control of circumstances?  Is the 
>>> >>>boat  afflicted by an unseen crack in the hull?  Is there some 
>>> >>>hiding  place
>>
>>> >>> from which water seeps? How long will our hero have to battle  
>>> >>> the errant water?  Is he just a rube being cruelly played by the  
>>> >>> forces of nature?  The only way to find out is to discern the  
>>> >>> answer yourselves and help the hapless Joe.  So, break out your  
>>> >>> decoder rings and solve this problem. Then tell Joe (in a 
>>> >>> non-coded
>>> >>> message) what the hell is up with this.  Until next time, Rhodes
>>> Rangers!
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Joe Camp
>>> >>> s/v John Dawson
>>> >>> Earleville, MD.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> P.S.  Who is the red hulled Rhodes on a mooring at Bohemia Bay
>Marina?
>>
>>> >>> I see you there.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> j
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