[Rhodes22-list] availability of 130% genoas

Mon May 20 17:19:48 EDT 2013

Our UPS is on a high-tech line luff (not a wire). It furls somewhat 
loosely but enough to control the sail. You do need to drop it once 
you are done with it (for the day) as the wind will unfurl bits and 
pieces of it if you left it up.

We have used it downwind as a twin headsail (genoa and UPS). I've 
attached a photo - looks like we poled out the UPS. Also attached a 
photo of it furled and one of us under sail. I think we were sailing 
just above a broad reach on this one and probably could have eased 
the sheet a bit - but it is such a forgiving sail that it probably 
didn't really matter.

Best,
Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD

At 04:44 PM 5/20/2013, you wrote:
>I've been thinking along the same lines...  Would be nice to have both
>foresails mounted on furlers.  I think that's called a Solent rig now.
>Difference between Solent and Cutter seems to be spacing of the two
>forestays (Cutter being much farther apart with inner forestay carrying
>a smaller sail.  The Solent rig was supposed to let you carry a 100%
>working jib and a larger genoa and use them in combination sailing off
>the wind.  On the wind the Solent rig becomes unbalanced and harder to
>manage with too much drive ahead of the mast.  With a cutter rig, not so
>much.  Although you could add a bowsprit to increase the spacing, that
>will also move the center of effort even farther forward and make the
>balance problem worse.  You could combat that by furling BOTH head
>sails, but begins to sound like work!
>
>I think it was Mary Lou that had a good solution to this - mounting the
>UPS on a luff wire behind the forestay (and removable) although you can
>still furl the UPS on its wire.  Or unshackle and stow... do I remember
>that right?
>
>--
>Cheers!
>John Lock
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>Lake Sinclair, GA
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>On 2013-05-20 16:19, Wickman, William E wrote:
> > So now that you have had it for a few years, how has it held 
> up?  Also, did you get a luff pad as well?
> >
> > Stan's 130 offering raises some interesting questions for 
> discussion.  It seems to me that the 130 combined with a UPS might 
> be a really nice combination.  Go with the 130 in medium to heavy 
> air, or when you want to point as high as possible; and put up the 
> UPS in lighter air.  Maybe use both together when running 
> downwind?  I wonder if they could both be used simultaneously like 
> a cutter rig (though probably not enough room between the luffs, 
> has anyone tried to do that)?  Hmm. Maybe add a bowsprit and put 
> the UPS at the end of it.  But now we are messing with Stan's boat 
> design which should not be done.
> >
> > Another question is what would the cut on the 130 look like?  It 
> would be nice if it had more deck clearance than the 175.  I 
> frequently have people sitting up front while sailing and would be 
> nice to be able to tack without sweeping them overboard; although 
> sometimes it is fun to do.
> >
> > Bill W.
> > s/v Fina Lee
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:16 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] availability of 130% genoas
> >
> > When we had our genoa cleaned and repaired by Sailcare several years
> > ago, they replaced the Sunbrella with the lighter weight material. I
> > forget what it was called. they cautioned us that it would not hold
> > up to UV as well as the Sunbrella but seeing as how we were putting
> > it on a 10 year old sail, that didn't bother us too much. It is a
> > little sticky to touch and does attract a small amount of dirt. It is
> > also much lighter than Sunbrella and made a significant difference in
> > sail handling in light air. While it is not as forgiving as the UPS
> > sail, we found we did not get out the UPS as frequently with the new
> > suncover. Gained sailing ability on at least a couple of knots lighter air.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > recycled 1998
> > Rock Hall, MD
> >
> >
> > At 10:34 AM 5/20/2013, you wrote:
> >> One of the issues with the 175 was the heavy sunbrella.  I wonder if
> >> the lightweight material Stan references would help the 175?  Has
> >> anyone replaced their sunbrella with a lighter material on their
> >> 175?  If so, how did it work?  Any improvements?
> >>
> >> Bill W.
> >> s/v Fina Lee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 7:55 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; stan spitzer
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] availability of 130% genoas
> >>
> >>       with so much chatting about smaller genoas we are coming out with
> >> 130% Doyle genoas with white lightweight self covers and having all the
> >> other standard 175% genoa features; $1,000 including S&H  ($900 C of S
> >> participants.)
> >>
> >>       let us know if you have any interest.
> >>
> >> general boats
> >>
> >>       PS:  On May 25th John Wadenhausen is launching his new Rhodes in
> >> the Seattle area - he is nervous and all constructive kibitzers are
> >> invited.  His e-mail is   waldjh1 at gmail.com     206 612 2134   or 206
> >> 799 5193
> >>
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