[Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
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Wed Apr 1 13:44:58 EDT 2015
Graham: also i am going to add inspection ports in the galley cabinet floor and head floor as well.
When i leave the boat at mooring or stored i will remove those so even more airflow occurs. A simple way to prolong the life of the woodwork.
Bob (palatka)
> On Apr 1, 2015, at 1:12 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Bob:
>
> When you say that you installed "extra" ballast I am wondering what was
> there already and how much you added. I would like to add some myself but
> don't know how much or where exactly to put it.
>
> The stringers under the settee and galley rotted out for me as well. Water
> gets trapped there - especially under the galley where it is not visible and
> rots out the wood. The source of water for me primarily was a leaking hull
> deck join. I have glassed the joint so that should finally end the leaks but
> I also put drain holes in the bottom of the stringers to ensure that any
> water that makes its way in, and it will, can drain out on its own. Further,
> I put an inspection hole in the bottom self of the galley so I can reach in
> to the space should I want to check for water or retrieve anything the might
> fall in behind the shelf. I am also encapsulating the settee and galley
> stringers in multiple coats of epoxy. I am putting white Formica laminate on
> the face of these pieces and all other wood surfaces to give a maintenance
> free and easy to clean interior.
>
> With the floor stringers I am intending to use pressure treated deck boards.
> A previous owner used pressure treated fence boards and while they stood up
> very well to rot and held to epoxy very well, being only 1/2" thick did not
> give a sufficient area to screw the deck boards to. Of course I will be
> putting drain holes in them as well.
>
> Graham
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email
> List
> Sent: March-31-15 10:05 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>
> Mine is a 1983 and is in excellent condition for a boat of that age. (I
> have had three 1983 sailboats and one 1982 sailboat) My deck is rock solid!
> I can see under the front of my cockpit floor and it seems to have pine
> boards set in the glass but not real sure. That floor is also rock solid.
>
> My floor rotted out most likely because it was stored with the hatch open.
> There was one design "flaw" and it was that there were several areas that
> trapped water. I am making sure all water can get to the bilge pump. I am
> sure Stan probably puts in bilge scuppers in these stringers now.
> I am rebuilding these with pressure treated wood/plywood. I dried it out
> for several months so fiberglass will stick to it. I also have had good
> luck with waterproof construction adhesive holding it in place until the
> glass goes off.
> Oh and my extra ballast is concrete glassed over just forward of the main
> bulkhead.
> I sealed this over with fiberglass cloth soaked in epoxy when i placed the
> main bulkhead base. I didnt want the moisture in the concrete to keep the
> wood wet.
>
> Bob (palatka)
>
>>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 8:35 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> Bob:
>> Don't let me spook you. Any boat that old is bound to have some
>> problems but just about anything can be fixed. The trick is to not let
>> problems go too long - especially problems with the deck core. Some,
>> if not all, of the problems I identified are probably unique to my
>> boat. I don't know whether the contractors who built the older boats
>> did the layup or just assembled the parts. Nor do I know how many
>> contractors were used and what the differences might be between them.
>>
>> Many of the older boats have problems with the floor stringers rotting
>> out - which is not a surprise given that the bilge is often wet and
>> the stringers are wood.
>>
>> What is the ballast arrangement with your boat? In mine I have a stack
>> of steel bars fiberglassed to the hull just forward of the forward
> bulkhead.
>> Some boats apparently have cement there.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>> Email List
>> Sent: March-31-15 6:55 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>
>> What years were built where and by whom?
>>
>> Bob (palatka)
>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:59 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Graham - thanks for clarifying the porta-potti issue. And for the
>>> invitation!
>>>
>>> I didn't realize 76's were built by 3rd parties. That's unsettling. I
>>> will check out my keel, bearing in mind the problems you have had.
>>> And the other flaws you detected.
>>>
>>> Much appreciated,
>>>
>>> Jefferson
>>>
>>> On 15-03-29 3:55 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jefferson:
>>>> You can use a porta-pottie on Ontario waters so long as it is fixed
>>>> in place and has a deck pump out. Most porta-potties have kits for
>>>> this purpose. No need for a separate holding tank.
>>>>
>>>> You would be most welcome if you make the trip to my place and can
>>>> tie up at my dock given that my boat is still on the hard. I also
>>>> have a mooring that you can use. I am located just west of Lemoines
>>>> Point on the north Shore of Lake Ontario.
>>>>
>>>> The Rhodes 22 were built under contract with 3rd parties in 1976 and
>>>> as a result some of the construction details were lacking. A few
>>>> things that you might want to check on the boat that might cause
>>>> problems.
>>>>
>>>> - The transom rings were installed without nuts on the inside,
>>>> - the deck leaked where the air vent for the holding tank went
>>>> through the deck at the front - you may not have one if you don't
>>>> have a holding tank but that is a prime spot for water to make its
>>>> way into the core.. The softness that my deck developed when walked
>>>> on was not due to rot as I suspected but was because the deck skin
>>>> simply separated from the core, There was minimal sealant used to
>>>> join the two surfaces and it simply let go. That is actually good
>>>> news as it is possible to reattach the core by injecting epoxy under
>>>> the skin rather than having to remove the deck and replace the core.
>>>> I
>> discovered this the hard way.
>>>> - The keel on my boat split open at the bottom of the keel at the
>>>> centreboard slot. I could only see it by laying flat on my back
>>>> right under the keel - a position I rarely found myself in. The
>>>> sharp corner seems to be the weakest point. Of course you might well
>>>> not have that problem and I have no idea why it developed in mine,
>>>> but by the time I realized that I had this problem it was probably
>>>> years from the time it started and a crack had spread all the way
>>>> around the centreboard opening. I only noticed the problem when I
>>>> saw some of the internal filling hanging from the keel. I suspect
>>>> that some water got into the keel and froze. I discovered that there
>>>> were large voids in the keel where water could collect in
>>>> substantial volume if it found its way in. It took 3 gallons of
>>>> resin to fill the voids that I was able to find. My advice is to
>>>> check it out before you launch. You probably will not have that
>>>> problem but given that our boats were built so close together and
>>>> potentially by the same builder it might be a reasonably prudent
> examination to make.
>>>> - The cap on my centreboard housing had been installed with a layer
>>>> of fibreglass over it and the flange sealed with something like 3M
>>>> 5200. I suspect that might have been a repair done by a subsequent
>>>> owner but I can't be sure. It was a pain to remove the cap and
>>>> impossible to do so without badly damaging it.
>>>> - When I removed the bottom paint last summer I discovered that the
>>>> gelcoat and even the substrate of the hull was damaged where the
>>>> boat sat against the front struts of the trailer. Fortunately it
>>>> isn't difficult to fix and the repair is ultimately covered by the
>>>> bottom paint. I would look carefully in that area especially if you
>>>> remove the existing paint. I repaired the glass by grinding out the
>>>> damaged areas and replacing with multiple layers of cloth and epoxy.
>>>> I plan to add some reinforcement to the inside of the hull this
>>>> summer - particularly in that region as the fibreglass is thin there
>>>> and dents badly on the trailer. Newer boats were built with thicker
>>>> hulls to address that problem.
>>>>
>>>> Just because I had these problems does not mean that any of them
>>>> will apply to you. But they did seem to me to be weak spots and you
>>>> might be reassured to know they aren't a problem in your case.
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>>
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
>>>> 22 Email List
>>>> Sent: March-29-15 1:02 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the welcome. I'm gobsmacked there are only two Rhodes
>>>> in the whole country. Throw a rock in any marina and you'll hit a
>>>> Catalina 22 - a very inferior design to the Rhodes to my mind.
>>>>
>>>> My sympathies for your major restoration. I have neither the skills
>>>> nor the patience and am praying that my hull is sound. But it is
>>>> good to know someone out there knows. I went to Queen's U and know
>>>> Bath well. Beautiful country, and great sailing around Kingston. I'd
>>>> love to trailer my boat up there - going up the Richelieu from Lake
>>>> Champlain and then up through the endless locks to Lake Ontario is
>>>> something I have done once and don't need to do again! But I read
>>>> somewhere that porta-potties are forbidden on Ontario lakes so I'd
>>>> have to plumb in a head and holding tank or risk getting busted.
>>>>
>>>> I pulled the tarp off Patience this morning and sat in the cabin
>>>> taking stock until my feet froze. Bring on Spring!
>>>>
>>>> Jefferson
>>>>
>>>> On 15-03-28 12:28 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jefferson:
>>>>> I am very excited to see that there may now be two Rhodes 22 boats
>>>>> in Canada. Welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> My boat, Agile, is hull number GBX220052G76 making mine a 1976 as well.
>>>>> The
>>>>> number on the sail is 244. Your boat was built in May and mine in
>>>>> July of that year so they should be almost identical. I have been
>>>>> doing a major restoration and in the process have dissected almost
>>>>> every part of the boat so if you need to know more about what is
>>>>> under the skin of the boat I should be able to tell you. I am
>>>>> located on Lake Ontario at Kinston.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is to great sailing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
>>>>> 22 Email List
>>>>> Sent: March-28-15 10:21 AM
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am the new owner of a '76 Rhodes, hull number GBX220092E76.
>>>>> Despite my admiration for the beauty and ingenuity of the boat's
>>>>> design I would likely not have dared to make the jump if I hadn't
>>>>> discovered this site and the generosity and patience of its
>>>>> contributors. I feel honoured to join your ranks.
>>>>>
>>>>> About me: I grew up in a sailing family. Back in the dawn of time
>>>>> when dinosaurs roamed the earth we sailed 14' Ackroyd dinghies,
>>>>> then Rhodes Bantams, and on to Lightnings and Flying Dutchmen and
>>>>> most recently Flying Scots. I discovered cruising when a good
>>>>> friend bought a Catalina 25, and promptly came down with 2
>>>>> foot-itis - 25 became a Catalina 27, then a Columbia 31 and finally
>>>>> a Mirage 26. We sailed on Lake
>>>> Ontario, up the St.
>>>>> Lawrence River past Quebec City, and all over Lake Champlain -
>>>>> which is really an inland sea 100 miles long and up to 10 miles
>>>>> wide in
>> places.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then he sold the Mirage, and I thought well hell, now what am I
>>>>> going to do?
>>>>> After a lot of looking, I came across the Rhodes and fell in love.
>>>>>
>>>>> The boat: named "Patience," which feels quite appropriate consider
>>>>> how long I looked for it. Among the papers inherited from the
>>>>> previous owner is the yellowed but legible order sheet for the boat
>>>>> in 1976, from GBC in Irvington-on-Hudson. With all the options the
>>>>> original owner chose the bill for a brand spanking new Rhodes
>>>>> Continental came to $8,095. The second owner bought the boat in
>>>>> the early '80's andy sailed it on the Ottawa River, and then 22
>>>>> years ago, so he told me, they bought a cottage on a lake too small
>>>>> for sailing and it has remained on its trailer under cover ever since.
>>>>> I did a pretty thorough inspection with someone more experienced
>>>>> than I, and it seems to be in pretty good shape. All original,
>>>>> including cushion covers, the icebox, porta-potty and two burner
>>>>> alcohol stove that was standard on RC models in '76. It is
>>>>> equipped with a 150 genoa. The work it needs seems to be mostly
>>>>> cosmetic, aside from running rigging which needs to be updated, and
>>>>> if it doesn't sink to the bottom on launch day I'll be delighted.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to moor it on Lake Memphremagog this summer while I work
>>>>> on it, and then on Lake Champlain. I plan to send 10% of the price
>>>>> I paid to Stan, which isn't going to thrill him since I didn't pay
>>>>> much, and in Canadian dollars, but seems the right thing to do
>>>>> anyway. I'm not sure what I'll be able to afford to buy from
>>>>> General Boats, given the current exchange rates and my own budget.
>>>>> But it will be my first stop when I go shopping.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that's me and Patience, slowly emerging from the melting snow. I
>>>>> have about six million questions but will try not to test your
>>>>> patience. I can't download any attachments with "Old Nabble" in the
>>>>> address, and if anyone could enlighten me I will continue to scour
>>>>> the archives for answers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jefferson Lewis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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