[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers
The Rhodes 22 Email List
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Thu Aug 13 16:51:51 EDT 2015
Everything I have ever heard indicates that water drains very quickly
through the scuppers. I believe we've only ever taken one very large
wave over the bow/cabin top. (powerboat wake). A lot of water came
over and poured into the cockpit, everything was soaked but by the
time I looked to see how much water was in the cockpit it was gone.
David Dawson wrote about a similar experience many years ago:
http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/dawson.html
The only occasion I've ever heard of a Rhodes 22 turtling was under
power in a microburst.
http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/capsize.html I don't think larger
scuppers would have helped. A combination of wind and waves might do
it but water in the cockpit seams like and unlikely cause.
Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Recycled 1998
Rock Hall, MD
At 04:22 PM 8/13/2015, you wrote:
>Bob,
>All things considered, I can't for the life of me think of a situation that
> would swamp the cockpit to the seats. If you are stupid enough to be out
>in a 22 foot boat in those conditions, I believe you deserve whatever
>happens to you. Keeping an eye on weather and wave conditions is
>sailing class
>101.
>
>Rummy
>
>
>In a message dated 8/13/2015 1:38:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>
>I was thinking of adding drains in addition to the existing drains.
>
>If you are swamped to your seats at sea you will probably capsize.... The
>bow will rise, and she might roll. With luck she would dump water and
>self right. If turtled her chances of self righting go way down. Large 3"
>scupper pipes exiting the stern would go a long way toward stopping the
>cockpit from filling. This is part of the thinking Hunter used
>for making open
>stern sailing "sleds".
>There is a reason a 43' sailboat has a smaller cockpit than the R22 and
>has two 3" drains.
>If the weather window is perfect you should make it. Pray that no sudden
>storms rise up.
>
>Bob
>
> > On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:21 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Graham,
> > Perhaps I'm missing something here. It doesn't appear that you have
>added a
> > scupper, you simply replaced the existing GB drainage system with
> > different fittings. One on the cockpit floor and the other the seat.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/13/2015 9:11:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
> >
> > Larry:
> > Here are the pictures of the deck and cockpit scuppers.
> > Underside photo shows where I ground down the surface to something
> > reasonably flat and then used the plywood donut that I sanded to a wedge
> > shape to give a lower surface that was parallel to the upper surface.
> > Otherwise the scupper goes in at an angle.
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile. R22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
> > Email
> > List
> > Sent: August 12, 2015 6:32 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers
> >
> > Graham,
> >
> > It would be great to see photos of this
> >
> > Larry Allen
> > Makai
> > Sarasota
> > larrywallen at verizon.net
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
> > Email
> > List
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:45 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers
> >
> > I changed the subject of this line to reflect the contents relating to
> > cockpit scubbers.
> >
> > Yes, in fact I just finished installing cockpit scuppers about 20
>minutes
> > ago - having started 3 years ago. In my boat (79) the cockpit drains
>above
> > the lazarette originally had 3/4" mushroom thru-hulls. These small
> > thru-hulls were constantly being clogged and seemed inadequate to me
>when
> > the cockpit needed to drain quickly.
> >
> > The area around where they were placed was depressed - presumably so the
> > water would funnel into the drain. The depression was defeated by the
> > mushroom cap and so water always pooled around the thru-hull and
>stained
> > the
> > gel coat. The same was true for the cockpit drain where the mushroom cap
> > prevented the all the water from draining out.
> >
> > Years ago I simply removed the 3/4" " thru-hulls and replaced them with
>1
> > 1/2" ones in the deck and transom. That let the water flow with much
>less
> > clogging but I still got the pool around the thru-hull.
> >
> > I have since installed flush mounted scuppers in both the deck and in
>the
> > cockpit drain. For the deck drains, I filled the depression with epoxy
>with
> > fairing powder and then sanded it flush with the surrounding area. I
>then
> > painted the entire deck of the boat but you could patch the area with
>gel
> > coat. I was planning to paint the deck anyway.
> >
> > I used a Dremel with a sanding drum to create the hole with bevel sides
>and
> > then made a donut of plywood that I attached under the hole with
>thickened
> > epoxy for strength and depth. The ones under the deck has to be tapered
>to
> > fit as the bottom side of the deck is not horizontal to the deck.
> >
> > I now have flush-mounted scuppers that should eliminate the problem of
> > water
> > stains. This was not a particularly difficult job but it took longer
>than
> > you might expect as it is fussy.
> >
> > I can send photos if you want them
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile. R22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
> > Email
> > List
> > Sent: August 12, 2015 2:10 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris' Bahamian Adventure
> >
> > The rhodes has a very large cockpit...above waterline. Has anyone added
> > large stern scuppers to help rid the cockpit of water in rough
>conditions?
> >
> >>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:48 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Helen,
> >>
> >> If you have not already, check out the archives for Bill's last
> >> Bahamas
> > Adventure in his R22.
> >>
> >> He went with his son and a friend and had a blast. He chronicled his
> > journey in detail and is a great storyteller.
> >>
> >> Now, I just need to find someone crazy enough to crew with me. My
> >> admiral is not comfortable in open water :(
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Ted
> >>
> >> S/V AIRPOWER
> >> 1991/2013 Jacksonville, FL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:07 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We have made the trip to the Bahama's many times...but never in a
> >>> Rhodes22...:) I think that is the perfect Bahama's boat. We went
> >>> over every other year for almost 10 years while living aboard our
> >>> cruising boat..My husband and I have both commented while
> >>> refurbishing out Rhodes22...how nice it would be to take her
> >>> over..health and age will prevent us...but we sure admire you all
> >>> getting together to make that trip..We normally checked in at Bimini
> >>> and did the normal route ..... Chub...Nassau... down to
>Georgetown
> >>> stopping at all the out islands along the Exumas..across to Long and
> >>> then up to Cat and through the upper Bahamas and home to Port
> > Canaveral...We enjoyed every trip...Hopefully you will send reports as
>you
> > go...:):)
> >>> ENJOY!!!!!!!!! Helen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 8/12/2015 9:53:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
> >>>
> >>> Chris,
> >>> Are you talking about the Sapona? It is located near Alicetown,
> > Bimini.
> >
> >>> It is an old concrete ship (constructed out of concrete, that is)
> >>> that was used as target practice during WWII and was the target for
> >>> the practice run of the "Lost Patrol" of Bermuda Triangle fame. It
> >>> was also used as a staging area for running alcohol during
> >>> prohibition. And a great place to snorkel and scuba dive. Or...are
> >>> you talking about an even older wreck...maybe some treasure hunting?
> >>>
> >>> I would like to make another run over there and may join if schedule
> >>> permits. Between you, Ted, me, and anyone else, we would have a
>nice
> >>> little flotilla ... and maybe create some marketing buzz to
> >>> re-kickstart Stan's boatbuilding business.
> >>>
> >>> Bill W.
> >>> s/v Fina Lee
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
> >>> 22 Email List
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:48 AM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris' Bahamian Adventure
> >>>
> >>> Hey Ted,
> >>> I'm open and flexible as far as a launch point. Key Largo sounds
>good.
> >
> >>> Bimini is the easiest to check into and I want to check out a wreck
> >>> that is in the area. Very, very old. and not mentioned by anyone
> >>> I've
> > talked to.
> >>> We would stay in the Bahamas for 4-6 weeks I should think. I would
> >>> be thrilled to have another Rhodes or two to tag along.
> >>> Timewise I think it would be in April. I would like to get back to
> >>> Fl by no later than mid May so I can ship the boat to Italy by early
> >>> June. Lets keep in touch, maybe recruit a few fellow Rhodies? I'll
> > send some links on
> >>> what the Enosis is up to in a couple of weeks or so. Things never
> > quite
> >
> >>> go as you plan.
> >>> Chris G.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:06 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Chris,
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope all is well. I am very interested in hearing more about the
> >>>> Bahamian plans.
> >>>>
> >>>> After reading about Bill W's infamous Bahamian Adventure and your
> >>>> upcoming plans, I may be interested (and crazy enough) in the
> >>>> possibilities of tagging along with S/V Airpower. I've made the Gulf
> >>>> Stream crossing many times as a kid growing up in south Florida, but
> >>>> that was in powerful multi engine fishing boats.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where do you plan to launch? I assume somewhere around Key Largo.
> >>>> You may want to consider this trailer sailor friendly marina.
> >>>> http://southdademarina.com/.
> >>>>
> >>>> Will you clear immigration in Bimini? Where will you head from
>there?
> >>>>
> >>>> When do you think you might head south? You mentioned in the
> >>>> spring, but do you have a target month? March? April?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Ted (have EPIRB, will travel)
> >>>>
> >>>> S/v Airpower
> >>>> Jacksonville, FL
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 11:34 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I shall keep all of you guys in mind and let you know about the
> >>>> "disposable
> >>>>> equipment". An you guys know me, I can't help but journal about
> >>>>> Enosis
> >>>> and
> >>>>> Rhodes in general. Also anyone and any time is more than welcome
> >>>>> to come along in their boat for any segment of the grand adventure,
>
> >>>>> it would be
> >>>> fun.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris & Alice
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:25 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Chris, Bon voyage in the Med! Please keep a narrative and photo
> >>>> journal
> >>>>>> of your wanderings- all of us on the list will be a rapt
>audience.
> >>>>>> Please also keep me in mind for the trailer and the truck as
> >>>>>> well.
> >>>>>> Richard Arking, R22 in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, ny
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:37 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh,
> >>>>>>> If anyone is interested, I will be placing "Enosis" on a
> >>>>>>> roll-on-Roll-off freighter bound for Italy next spring. I will
> >>>> transfer
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> to a cheap throw away trailer. I currently am using a really
> >>>>>>> nice
> >>>>>>> 2003 Triad trailer designed for the Rhodes. It has electric
> >>>>>>> breaks and
> >>>> brand
> >>>>>>> new 9 ply trailer tires. I'll probably put less than 12,000
> >>>>>>> miles on
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>> tires when I am ready to sell. So, if you are thinking about a
>
> >>>>>>> trailer
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> great shape and well cared for, for next season, let me know. I
> >>>>>>> was thinking about selling the tow vehicle which is a 2003 F-250
>
> >>>>>>> diesel
> >>>> with
> >>>>>>> only 101K. The truck was garage kept its whole life. Well up
> >>>>>>> until
> >>>> now,
> >>>>>>> and I will store it under a cover most of the time. So as I get
>
> >>>>>>> near sending Enosis on its Mediterranian tour, I'll let you guys
> >>>>>>> know about
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> truck.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:33 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot to mention that I may join you for part of
> >>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>> Bahamas
> >>>>>>>> trip. With so many Rhodes in the East Coast area maybe we can
> >>>>>>>> get a
> >>>>>>> small
> >>>>>>>> group together. Please keep us posted on your plans.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bill Wickman
> >>>>>>>> s/v Fina Lee
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> >>>>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
> >>>>>>>> Email
> >>>>>>> List
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:23 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22 & Sailing Desolation Sound
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I for one am REALLY looking forward to reading about the
> >>>>>>>> adventures of Enosis. Chris weaves a really good yarn of his
> >>>>>>>> trips with the perfect
> >>>>>>> mix
> >>>>>>>> of pictures and descriptions that paints a vivid picture of
> >>>>>>>> what it is
> >>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>> to "be there".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bill Wickman
> >>>>>>>> s/v Fina Lee
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> >>>>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
> >>>>>>>> Email
> >>>>>>> List
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:56 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22 & Sailing Desolation
> >>>>>>>> Sound
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Glad you enjoyed the tale Patrick. My wife and I plan on an
> >>>>>>>> encore of
> >>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>> the best sailing adventures we've had in the last 20 years, and
> >>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>> some.
> >>>>>>>> So 2 months in Desolation sound is on the calendar this
>summer.
> >>>>>>>> Then
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>> repeat of the Mexican adventure but for 5 months this comming
> >>> winter.
> >>>>>>> Then
> >>>>>>>> a repeat of the Bahama adventures in the following spring but
> >>>>>>>> only for
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> month or so. Then stick the boat on a freighter and over to
> >>>>>>>> Italy
> >>>> next
> >>>>>>>> summer. I'll try to post the adventures and anyone interesting
>
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> meeting
> >>>>>>>> us along the way on their boat, we would welcome some Rhodie
> >>> company.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chris & Alice
> >>>>>>>> Enosis
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:36 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I was wandering by www.rhodes22.com recently and came across
> >>>>>>>>> the odyssey of Enosis on the front page. Downloadable .pdf
> >>>>>>>>> files of Chris' adventures.
> >>>>>>>>> Some of you may enjoy the read as I did.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> For some reason with the first file I had to right-click on it
> >>>>>>>>> and open in a new window (windows exploder and chrome) but the
>
> >>>>>>>>> rest
> >>>>>> opened
> >>>>>>>>> with just a click.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -Patrick
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