[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers
The Rhodes 22 Email List
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Thu Aug 13 22:12:25 EDT 2015
Rummy:
I wasnt considering putting myself or vessel into those conditions but i appreciate your succinct opinion. As you know the R22 cannot be considered a blue water boat. Cockpit size is the first reason, its also what makes it such a comfortable intra-coastal and inland vessel.
Other issues are a flat deck, flat cabin top, low ballast to displacement ratio, low stern freeboard, and low companion way bridge deck.
12 hours for a 45 mile passage would allow time for surprise weather and gulf stream conditions change quite quickly.
Be careful and wise.
If you must have a blue water trailerable keep the Rhodes and also buy a Flicka 20.
Bob (palatka)
> On Aug 13, 2015, at 4:22 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Bob,
> All things considered, I can't for the life of me think of a situation that
> would swamp the cockpit to the seats. If you are stupid enough to be out
> in a 22 foot boat in those conditions, I believe you deserve whatever
> happens to you. Keeping an eye on weather and wave conditions is sailing class
> 101.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 8/13/2015 1:38:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>
> I was thinking of adding drains in addition to the existing drains.
>
> If you are swamped to your seats at sea you will probably capsize.... The
> bow will rise, and she might roll. With luck she would dump water and
> self right. If turtled her chances of self righting go way down. Large 3"
> scupper pipes exiting the stern would go a long way toward stopping the
> cockpit from filling. This is part of the thinking Hunter used for making open
> stern sailing "sleds".
> There is a reason a 43' sailboat has a smaller cockpit than the R22 and
> has two 3" drains.
> If the weather window is perfect you should make it. Pray that no sudden
> storms rise up.
>
> Bob
>
>>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:21 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> Graham,
>> Perhaps I'm missing something here. It doesn't appear that you have
> added a
>> scupper, you simply replaced the existing GB drainage system with
>> different fittings. One on the cockpit floor and the other the seat.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/13/2015 9:11:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>>
>> Larry:
>> Here are the pictures of the deck and cockpit scuppers.
>> Underside photo shows where I ground down the surface to something
>> reasonably flat and then used the plywood donut that I sanded to a wedge
>> shape to give a lower surface that was parallel to the upper surface.
>> Otherwise the scupper goes in at an angle.
>>
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile. R22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>> Email
>> List
>> Sent: August 12, 2015 6:32 PM
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers
>>
>> Graham,
>>
>> It would be great to see photos of this
>>
>> Larry Allen
>> Makai
>> Sarasota
>> larrywallen at verizon.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>> Email
>> List
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:45 PM
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers
>>
>> I changed the subject of this line to reflect the contents relating to
>> cockpit scubbers.
>>
>> Yes, in fact I just finished installing cockpit scuppers about 20
> minutes
>> ago - having started 3 years ago. In my boat (79) the cockpit drains
> above
>> the lazarette originally had 3/4" mushroom thru-hulls. These small
>> thru-hulls were constantly being clogged and seemed inadequate to me
> when
>> the cockpit needed to drain quickly.
>>
>> The area around where they were placed was depressed - presumably so the
>> water would funnel into the drain. The depression was defeated by the
>> mushroom cap and so water always pooled around the thru-hull and
> stained
>> the
>> gel coat. The same was true for the cockpit drain where the mushroom cap
>> prevented the all the water from draining out.
>>
>> Years ago I simply removed the 3/4" " thru-hulls and replaced them with
> 1
>> 1/2" ones in the deck and transom. That let the water flow with much
> less
>> clogging but I still got the pool around the thru-hull.
>>
>> I have since installed flush mounted scuppers in both the deck and in
> the
>> cockpit drain. For the deck drains, I filled the depression with epoxy
> with
>> fairing powder and then sanded it flush with the surrounding area. I
> then
>> painted the entire deck of the boat but you could patch the area with
> gel
>> coat. I was planning to paint the deck anyway.
>>
>> I used a Dremel with a sanding drum to create the hole with bevel sides
> and
>> then made a donut of plywood that I attached under the hole with
> thickened
>> epoxy for strength and depth. The ones under the deck has to be tapered
> to
>> fit as the bottom side of the deck is not horizontal to the deck.
>>
>> I now have flush-mounted scuppers that should eliminate the problem of
>> water
>> stains. This was not a particularly difficult job but it took longer
> than
>> you might expect as it is fussy.
>>
>> I can send photos if you want them
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile. R22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>> Email
>> List
>> Sent: August 12, 2015 2:10 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris' Bahamian Adventure
>>
>> The rhodes has a very large cockpit...above waterline. Has anyone added
>> large stern scuppers to help rid the cockpit of water in rough
> conditions?
>>
>>>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:48 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Helen,
>>>
>>> If you have not already, check out the archives for Bill's last
>>> Bahamas
>> Adventure in his R22.
>>>
>>> He went with his son and a friend and had a blast. He chronicled his
>> journey in detail and is a great storyteller.
>>>
>>> Now, I just need to find someone crazy enough to crew with me. My
>>> admiral is not comfortable in open water :(
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ted
>>>
>>> S/V AIRPOWER
>>> 1991/2013 Jacksonville, FL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:07 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We have made the trip to the Bahama's many times...but never in a
>>>> Rhodes22...:) I think that is the perfect Bahama's boat. We went
>>>> over every other year for almost 10 years while living aboard our
>>>> cruising boat..My husband and I have both commented while
>>>> refurbishing out Rhodes22...how nice it would be to take her
>>>> over..health and age will prevent us...but we sure admire you all
>>>> getting together to make that trip..We normally checked in at Bimini
>>>> and did the normal route ..... Chub...Nassau... down to
> Georgetown
>>>> stopping at all the out islands along the Exumas..across to Long and
>>>> then up to Cat and through the upper Bahamas and home to Port
>> Canaveral...We enjoyed every trip...Hopefully you will send reports as
> you
>> go...:):)
>>>> ENJOY!!!!!!!!! Helen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 8/12/2015 9:53:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>> Are you talking about the Sapona? It is located near Alicetown,
>> Bimini.
>>
>>>> It is an old concrete ship (constructed out of concrete, that is)
>>>> that was used as target practice during WWII and was the target for
>>>> the practice run of the "Lost Patrol" of Bermuda Triangle fame. It
>>>> was also used as a staging area for running alcohol during
>>>> prohibition. And a great place to snorkel and scuba dive. Or...are
>>>> you talking about an even older wreck...maybe some treasure hunting?
>>>>
>>>> I would like to make another run over there and may join if schedule
>>>> permits. Between you, Ted, me, and anyone else, we would have a
> nice
>>>> little flotilla ... and maybe create some marketing buzz to
>>>> re-kickstart Stan's boatbuilding business.
>>>>
>>>> Bill W.
>>>> s/v Fina Lee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
>>>> 22 Email List
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:48 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris' Bahamian Adventure
>>>>
>>>> Hey Ted,
>>>> I'm open and flexible as far as a launch point. Key Largo sounds
> good.
>>
>>>> Bimini is the easiest to check into and I want to check out a wreck
>>>> that is in the area. Very, very old. and not mentioned by anyone
>>>> I've
>> talked to.
>>>> We would stay in the Bahamas for 4-6 weeks I should think. I would
>>>> be thrilled to have another Rhodes or two to tag along.
>>>> Timewise I think it would be in April. I would like to get back to
>>>> Fl by no later than mid May so I can ship the boat to Italy by early
>>>> June. Lets keep in touch, maybe recruit a few fellow Rhodies? I'll
>> send some links on
>>>> what the Enosis is up to in a couple of weeks or so. Things never
>> quite
>>
>>>> go as you plan.
>>>> Chris G.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:06 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope all is well. I am very interested in hearing more about the
>>>>> Bahamian plans.
>>>>>
>>>>> After reading about Bill W's infamous Bahamian Adventure and your
>>>>> upcoming plans, I may be interested (and crazy enough) in the
>>>>> possibilities of tagging along with S/V Airpower. I've made the Gulf
>>>>> Stream crossing many times as a kid growing up in south Florida, but
>>>>> that was in powerful multi engine fishing boats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you plan to launch? I assume somewhere around Key Largo.
>>>>> You may want to consider this trailer sailor friendly marina.
>>>>> http://southdademarina.com/.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will you clear immigration in Bimini? Where will you head from
> there?
>>>>>
>>>>> When do you think you might head south? You mentioned in the
>>>>> spring, but do you have a target month? March? April?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ted (have EPIRB, will travel)
>>>>>
>>>>> S/v Airpower
>>>>> Jacksonville, FL
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 11:34 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I shall keep all of you guys in mind and let you know about the
>>>>> "disposable
>>>>>> equipment". An you guys know me, I can't help but journal about
>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>> and
>>>>>> Rhodes in general. Also anyone and any time is more than welcome
>>>>>> to come along in their boat for any segment of the grand adventure,
>
>>>>>> it would be
>>>>> fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris & Alice
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:25 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris, Bon voyage in the Med! Please keep a narrative and photo
>>>>> journal
>>>>>>> of your wanderings- all of us on the list will be a rapt
> audience.
>>>>>>> Please also keep me in mind for the trailer and the truck as
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>> Richard Arking, R22 in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, ny
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:37 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, I will be placing "Enosis" on a
>>>>>>>> roll-on-Roll-off freighter bound for Italy next spring. I will
>>>>> transfer
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> to a cheap throw away trailer. I currently am using a really
>>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>>> 2003 Triad trailer designed for the Rhodes. It has electric
>>>>>>>> breaks and
>>>>> brand
>>>>>>>> new 9 ply trailer tires. I'll probably put less than 12,000
>>>>>>>> miles on
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> tires when I am ready to sell. So, if you are thinking about a
>
>>>>>>>> trailer
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> great shape and well cared for, for next season, let me know. I
>>>>>>>> was thinking about selling the tow vehicle which is a 2003 F-250
>
>>>>>>>> diesel
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> only 101K. The truck was garage kept its whole life. Well up
>>>>>>>> until
>>>>> now,
>>>>>>>> and I will store it under a cover most of the time. So as I get
>
>>>>>>>> near sending Enosis on its Mediterranian tour, I'll let you guys
>>>>>>>> know about
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> truck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:33 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot to mention that I may join you for part of
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> Bahamas
>>>>>>>>> trip. With so many Rhodes in the East Coast area maybe we can
>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>> group together. Please keep us posted on your plans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Wickman
>>>>>>>>> s/v Fina Lee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:23 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22 & Sailing Desolation Sound
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I for one am REALLY looking forward to reading about the
>>>>>>>>> adventures of Enosis. Chris weaves a really good yarn of his
>>>>>>>>> trips with the perfect
>>>>>>>> mix
>>>>>>>>> of pictures and descriptions that paints a vivid picture of
>>>>>>>>> what it is
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> to "be there".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Wickman
>>>>>>>>> s/v Fina Lee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:56 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22 & Sailing Desolation
>>>>>>>>> Sound
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Glad you enjoyed the tale Patrick. My wife and I plan on an
>>>>>>>>> encore of
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> the best sailing adventures we've had in the last 20 years, and
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> some.
>>>>>>>>> So 2 months in Desolation sound is on the calendar this
> summer.
>>>>>>>>> Then
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> repeat of the Mexican adventure but for 5 months this comming
>>>> winter.
>>>>>>>> Then
>>>>>>>>> a repeat of the Bahama adventures in the following spring but
>>>>>>>>> only for
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> month or so. Then stick the boat on a freighter and over to
>>>>>>>>> Italy
>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>> summer. I'll try to post the adventures and anyone interesting
>
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>>> us along the way on their boat, we would welcome some Rhodie
>>>> company.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris & Alice
>>>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:36 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was wandering by www.rhodes22.com recently and came across
>>>>>>>>>> the odyssey of Enosis on the front page. Downloadable .pdf
>>>>>>>>>> files of Chris' adventures.
>>>>>>>>>> Some of you may enjoy the read as I did.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For some reason with the first file I had to right-click on it
>>>>>>>>>> and open in a new window (windows exploder and chrome) but the
>
>>>>>>>>>> rest
>>>>>>> opened
>>>>>>>>>> with just a click.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Patrick
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