[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers

The Rhodes 22 Email List rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Thu Aug 13 22:19:59 EDT 2015


Oh and 3 breaking 10' waves in a gulf stream squall would fill her to the brim.  
Safety first

Bob (palatka)

> On Aug 13, 2015, at 4:22 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> All things considered, I can't for the life of me think of a situation that 
> would swamp the cockpit to the seats. If you are stupid enough to be out 
> in a 22  foot boat in those conditions, I believe you deserve whatever 
> happens to you.  Keeping an eye on weather and wave conditions is sailing class 
> 101. 
> 
> Rummy
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/13/2015 1:38:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
> 
> I was  thinking of adding drains in addition to the existing drains.  
> 
> If  you are swamped to your seats at sea you will probably capsize.... The 
> bow  will rise, and she might roll.   With luck she would dump water and  
> self right.  If turtled her chances of self righting go way down.   Large 3" 
> scupper pipes exiting the stern would go a long way toward stopping  the 
> cockpit from filling.  This is part of the thinking Hunter used for  making open 
> stern sailing "sleds".
> There is a reason a 43' sailboat has a  smaller cockpit than the R22 and 
> has two 3" drains.
> If the weather window  is perfect you should make it.  Pray that no sudden 
> storms rise  up.
> 
> Bob 
> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:21 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email  List
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Graham,
>> Perhaps I'm missing something here. It doesn't appear that you  have
> added a 
>> scupper, you simply replaced the existing GB drainage  system with 
>> different  fittings. One on the cockpit floor and  the other the seat.
>> 
>> Rummy
>> 
>> 
>> In a  message dated 8/13/2015 9:11:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>> 
>> Larry:
>> Here are  the pictures of the deck and cockpit  scuppers.
>> Underside photo  shows where I ground down the surface to  something
>> reasonably  flat and then used the plywood donut that I sanded to  a wedge
>> shape to give a lower surface that was parallel to the upper   surface.
>> Otherwise the scupper goes in at an angle.
>> 
>> 
>> Graham  Stewart
>> Agile. R22, 1976
>> Kingston  Ontario  Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original  Message-----
>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22  
>> Email
>> List
>> Sent: August 12, 2015 6:32   PM
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Cockpit  Scuppers
>> 
>> Graham,
>> 
>> It would be  great to see photos of  this
>> 
>> Larry Allen
>> Makai
>> Sarasota  
>> larrywallen at verizon.net
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22  
>> Email
>> List
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015   4:45 PM
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Cockpit Scuppers
>> 
>> I changed the subject  of this line to reflect the  contents relating to
>> cockpit  scubbers.
>> 
>> Yes, in fact I just finished  installing  cockpit scuppers about 20
> minutes
>> ago - having started 3 years   ago. In my boat (79) the cockpit drains
> above
>> the lazarette originally  had  3/4" mushroom thru-hulls. These small
>> thru-hulls were  constantly being  clogged and seemed inadequate to me
> when
>> the  cockpit needed to drain  quickly. 
>> 
>> The area around where  they were placed was depressed -  presumably so the
>> water would  funnel into the drain. The depression was  defeated by the
>> mushroom cap and so water always pooled around the  thru-hull and
> stained  
>> the
>> gel coat. The same was true for the cockpit drain   where the mushroom cap
>> prevented the all the water from draining   out.
>> 
>> Years ago I simply removed the 3/4" " thru-hulls and  replaced them  with
> 1
>> 1/2" ones in the deck and transom. That let  the water flow with much  
> less
>> clogging but I still got the pool  around the thru-hull.
>> 
>> I have  since installed flush  mounted scuppers in both  the deck and in  
> the
>> cockpit  drain. For the deck drains, I filled the depression with epoxy   
> with
>> fairing powder and then sanded it flush with the surrounding  area. I  
> then
>> painted the entire deck of the boat but you could  patch the area with 
> gel
>> coat. I was planning to paint the deck  anyway. 
>> 
>> I used a Dremel  with a sanding drum to create  the hole with bevel sides
> and
>> then made a  donut of plywood that  I attached under the hole with
> thickened
>> epoxy for  strength and  depth. The ones under the deck has to be tapered
> to
>> fit as the   bottom side of the deck is not horizontal to the deck.
>> 
>> I now  have  flush-mounted scuppers that should eliminate the problem of  
>> water
>> stains.  This was not a particularly difficult job  but it took longer
> than
>> you might  expect as it is fussy.
>> 
>> I can send photos if you want them
>> 
>> Graham   Stewart
>> Agile. R22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario  Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22  
>> Email
>> List
>> Sent: August 12, 2015 2:10   PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Chris'  Bahamian Adventure
>> 
>> The rhodes has a very large  cockpit...above  waterline. Has anyone added
>> large stern scuppers  to help rid the cockpit of  water in rough
> conditions?
>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:48 AM, The  Rhodes 22 Email  List
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Helen,
>>> 
>>> If you have not already, check  out the  archives for Bill's last 
>>> Bahamas
>> Adventure  in his R22. 
>>> 
>>> He went with his son and a friend and  had a blast. He chronicled  his
>> journey in detail and is a great  storyteller. 
>>> 
>>> Now, I  just need to find someone  crazy enough to crew with me. My 
>>> admiral is  not comfortable  in open water :(
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ted
>>> 
>>> S/V AIRPOWER
>>> 1991/2013 Jacksonville, FL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:07 AM, The  Rhodes 22 Email  List
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We  have made the trip to the  Bahama's many times...but never in a
>>>> Rhodes22...:)  I  think that is the perfect Bahama's boat.  We went  
>>>> over every other year for almost 10 years while living aboard our   
>>>> cruising  boat..My husband and I have both commented  while  
>>>> refurbishing out Rhodes22...how  nice it  would be to take  her 
>>>> over..health and age will prevent  us...but we sure admire you  all 
>>>> getting together to  make that trip..We normally checked in at  Bimini 
>>>> and  did the normal route  .....   Chub...Nassau... down to   
> Georgetown 
>>>> stopping at all the out  islands along the  Exumas..across to  Long and 
>>>> then up to Cat  and  through the upper Bahamas and home to Port
>> Canaveral...We enjoyed  every  trip...Hopefully you will send reports as
> you
>> go...:):)
>>>> ENJOY!!!!!!!!!    Helen
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In a  message dated 8/12/2015 9:53:57  A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org  writes:
>>>> 
>>>> Chris,
>>>> Are you  talking about the Sapona?  It is located  near Alicetown,   
>> Bimini.
>> 
>>>> It is an old concrete ship  (constructed out of   concrete, that is) 
>>>> that was  used as target practice during WWII  and was the  target for  
>>>> the practice run of the "Lost  Patrol" of Bermuda  Triangle  fame.  It 
>>>> was also used as  a  staging area for running alcohol during 
>>>> prohibition.   And  a great place to snorkel and scuba dive.  Or...are  
>>>> you  talking about an even older wreck...maybe some  treasure hunting?
>>>> 
>>>> I  would like to make  another run over there and may join if  schedule 
>>>> permits.  Between you, Ted, me, and anyone else, we  would have a  
> nice 
>>>> little flotilla ... and maybe create some   marketing buzz to 
>>>> re-kickstart  Stan's  boatbuilding  business.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill  W.
>>>> s/v Fina   Lee
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>>> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of The   Rhodes
>>>> 22 Email List
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August  12, 2015  1:48  AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email  List
>>>> Subject:  Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris'  Bahamian  Adventure
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Ted,
>>>> I'm open  and flexible as far as a launch point.  Key  Largo sounds   
> good.
>> 
>>>> Bimini is the easiest to check into  and I  want to check out a  wreck 
>>>> that is in the  area.   Very, very old. and not mentioned by anyone   
>>>> I've
>> talked  to.
>>>> We would stay  in the Bahamas for 4-6 weeks I should   think.  I would  
>>>> be thrilled to have another Rhodes or two to  tag   along.
>>>> Timewise I think it would be in April.  I   would like to get  back to 
>>>> Fl by no later than mid May  so I  can ship the boat to Italy by early 
>>>> June.   Lets keep in  touch, maybe recruit a few fellow Rhodies?   I'll
>> send some links  on
>>>> what the Enosis is up to  in a couple of weeks or  so.   Things never
>> quite
>> 
>>>> go as you plan.
>>>> Chris  G.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at  10:06 AM,  The  Rhodes 22 Email List < 
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>   wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope all  is well. I am very  interested in hearing more about the   
>>>>> Bahamian plans.
>>>>> 
>>>>> After  reading about Bill W's infamous Bahamian Adventure and your  
>>>>> upcoming plans, I may be interested (and crazy enough) in  the 
>>>>> possibilities of tagging along with S/V Airpower.  I've made the Gulf  
>>>>> Stream crossing many times as a  kid growing up in south  Florida, but 
>>>>> that was in  powerful multi engine fishing  boats.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where do you  plan to launch? I  assume  somewhere around Key Largo. 
>>>>> You may want to    consider this trailer sailor friendly marina.
>>>>> http://southdademarina.com/.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will you  clear  immigration in  Bimini? Where will you head from  
> there?
>>>>> 
>>>>> When do you think you   might head south? You mentioned  in the 
>>>>> spring, but  do you have a  target month? March?  April?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ted (have  EPIRB,   will travel)
>>>>> 
>>>>> S/v   Airpower
>>>>> Jacksonville,  FL
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 11:34 AM, The Rhodes 22  Email  List  <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I  shall keep all of you  guys in mind and  let you know about the
>>>>> "disposable
>>>>>> equipment".  An you guys know me, I can't  help  but journal  about 
>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>> and
>>>>>> Rhodes in  general.  Also anyone and  any  time is more than welcome 
>>>>>> to come along in  their boat for  any segment of the grand adventure,
> 
>>>>>> it would  be
>>>>> fun.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris &   Alice
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at  7:25 AM,  The Rhodes 22 Email List  < 
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris,  Bon voyage in the Med!  Please  keep  a narrative and  photo
>>>>> journal
>>>>>>> of  your wanderings- all of us on  the  list will be a rapt   
> audience.
>>>>>>>     Please also  keep  me in mind for the trailer and the truck as  
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>> Richard Arking,  R22 in Sheepshead Bay,   Brooklyn, ny
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1,  2015 at 1:37 AM,  The  Rhodes 22 Email List < 
>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>>>> If anyone  is  interested, I will be placing "Enosis" on a  
>>>>>>>> roll-on-Roll-off freighter bound for Italy  next  spring.  I  will
>>>>> transfer
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> to a  cheap throw away trailer.  I  currently am using a really  
>>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>>> 2003  Triad trailer designed for the  Rhodes.  It has  electric  
>>>>>>>> breaks  and
>>>>> brand
>>>>>>>> new 9 ply trailer  tires.   I'll probably put less than 12,000 
>>>>>>>> miles  on
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> tires when I  am   ready to sell.  So, if you are thinking about a  
> 
>>>>>>>> trailer
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> great shape and well cared  for, for  next  season, let me know.  I 
>>>>>>>> was  thinking   about selling the tow vehicle which is a 2003 F-250
> 
>>>>>>>> diesel
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> only 101K.  The truck was  garage   kept its whole life.  Well up  
>>>>>>>> until
>>>>> now,
>>>>>>>> and I will store it  under a cover  most of the  time.  So as I get
> 
>>>>>>>> near sending Enosis on its   Mediterranian  tour, I'll let you guys 
>>>>>>>> know  about
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> truck.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar  24, 2015 at 10:33 AM, The  Rhodes 22 Email List <  
>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I  forgot to mention that I  may  join you for part of  
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> Bahamas
>>>>>>>>> trip.  With so many Rhodes in the  East Coast area maybe we can  
>>>>>>>>> get   a
>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>> group  together.  Please keep us posted on your   plans.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bill   Wickman
>>>>>>>>> s/v Fina   Lee
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original   Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes  22   
>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015  11:23  AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22  Email  List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22  & Sailing Desolation  Sound
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I for one am REALLY looking forward  to  reading about the  
>>>>>>>>> adventures of  Enosis.    Chris weaves a really good yarn of his   
>>>>>>>>> trips with  the   perfect
>>>>>>>> mix
>>>>>>>>> of  pictures and   descriptions that paints a vivid picture of   
>>>>>>>>> what it   is
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> to  "be  there".
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bill   Wickman
>>>>>>>>> s/v Fina   Lee
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22   
>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015  1:56  AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes  22  Email  List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Rhodes22  & Sailing Desolation  
>>>>>>>>> Sound
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Glad  you enjoyed the tale  Patrick.  My wife and I plan  on an   
>>>>>>>>> encore of
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> the best sailing adventures we've had  in  the last 20 years,  and 
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> some.
>>>>>>>>> So 2  months in Desolation sound is on the calendar this   
> summer.   
>>>>>>>>> Then
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> repeat of the  Mexican adventure but for 5  months this comming
>>>> winter.
>>>>>>>> Then
>>>>>>>>> a repeat of the  Bahama  adventures  in the following spring but  
>>>>>>>>> only    for
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> month  or  so.  Then stick  the boat on a freighter and over to   
>>>>>>>>> Italy
>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>> summer.  I'll try to post  the  adventures  and anyone interesting
> 
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>>> us  along the way on their  boat, we would  welcome some Rhodie
>>>> company.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Chris &  Alice
>>>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On  Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:36 PM,  The  Rhodes 22 Email List <  
>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I  was wandering by  www.rhodes22.com recently and came  across   
>>>>>>>>>> the odyssey of Enosis on the  front   page.  Downloadable .pdf  
>>>>>>>>>> files of  Chris'   adventures.
>>>>>>>>>> Some of you may   enjoy the read as I  did.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> For some reason  with the first  file  I had to right-click on it 
>>>>>>>>>> and open in a  new window (windows exploder and chrome) but the  
> 
>>>>>>>>>> rest
>>>>>>> opened
>>>>>>>>>> with just a   click.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -Patrick
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