[Rhodes22-list] installing new floor

Tue Jan 13 22:01:20 EST 2015

Bob:
I look forward to seeing your posts. 
I never thought of using construction adhesive. I wonder to what extent the
floor frame pieces are an essential part of the boat's structure or are they
just a platform for the floor boards. If they are intended to give the hull
rigidity, and I suspect they are,  then I think I would go with the epoxy
and glass. Does anyone know the answer to that question? 

Graham 

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Sure thing Graham.  I will post pics and keep everyone updated.  I welcome
lots of advice but am a brave (if not foolish) do it yourselfer.
I once rebuild the stringers in a similar boat and bedded the pressure
treated pine stringers in polyurethane construction adhesive. (Moisture cure
stuff from home depot) I sailed the boat hard for years, had it fill up with
water once for a month.  When i sold it i got down in there to inspect and
the job looked brand new and the adhesive was still perfectly holding the
stringers to the hull.
I would say epoxy would be a much better choice and a few layers of
fiberglass cloth and resin even better.
Bob

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:37 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Last summer I removed all of the stringers and end pieces for the 
> floor structure as I needed better access to the area over the keel. 
> The frames had been replaced by a previous owner who used pressure 
> treated fence boards. After more than 15 years the boards were still 
> perfectly sound. At one point I decided to add glass to bond the 
> boards to the hull better and was not sure if the epoxy would bond with
the boards given the treatment.
> The epoxy held firm - as I discovered when I removed them this summer. 
> 
> The problem with using fence boards is that they are only 1/2 inch 
> thick and that gives a very small edge area to drive the screws for 
> the floorboards, When I redo it I will either use pressure treated 
> deck boards that are 5/4 inch thick or white oak if I can get some at 
> a reasonable cost. I think using 2" material is a bit overkill but I 
> have no idea what was/is being used by General Boats. But based on my 
> experience, it appears that the pressure treated pine works fine. The 
> stuff they make today is much less toxic than what they were using 
> before, it is all under the floor boards and in my case will be coated 
> in epoxy so I don't think the toxic properties are something to worry
about.
> I will be interested to learn about how others are approaching the 
> installation of the framing. So please post what you do and how it 
> worked out.
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: January-13-15 8:13 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard cap
> 
> I was thinking of using pressure treated pine
> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 6:53 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> It would be great to see your plan and pics.
>> 
>> It sounds like you're a step ahead of us. We're still sanding out the 
>> area where the stringers were and fitting the new ones. We're using
>> 2x6 white oak
>> 
>> Larry Allen
>> Sarasota
>> larrywallen at veizon.net
>> 941-914-4065
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 2:45 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard cap
>> 
>> Yes it is a 1983 rhodes and is in good shape except for the rotted 
>> floor.  I will email you my plan and pics if you want.
>> Also to Graham.  Thanks for the input.  I think i may as well tackle 
>> it
> now.
>> I also think i am going to remove the rub rail in the attempt to stop 
>> the rainwater that works in.
>> Turning into a refit! 
>> 
>>>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 12:24 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We're doing exactly the same project. I'd like to talk with you or 
>>> get some information about how you're going to install the stringers 
>>> and what you're using. We also removed the centerboard cap to 
>>> inspect the board and the hull well. It's a 1986 R22
>>> 
>>> Larry Allen
>>> Sarasota
>>> "Makai"
>>> larrywallen at verizon.net
>>> 941-914-4065
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:45 AM
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>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard cap
>>> 
>>> Ok, so i am getting ready to rebuild my floor.  Its all clean and 
>>> ready to put the stringers in and i am looking at the centerboard 
>>> cap and wondering if i should take it apart and inspect it all.  The 
>>> line looks good and it works. Some of the gelcoat is chipped off the cb.
>>> Three of the cb cap screws are mild steel and rusty.
>>> Advice?
>>> 
>>> Bob (palatka fl)
>>> "Saved by Grace"
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>>> i could buy a boat!  Haha! So our fourth and last :-) was a 
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