[Rhodes22-list] Soul of the sole

The Rhodes 22 Email List rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Thu Jan 15 11:31:07 EST 2015


Thanks Hank!
Looks like lifeseal is a blend of silicone and polyurethane.
We can have the best of both worlds!
Bob

> On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:56 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Have you considered Life Seal?
> http://www.westmarine.com/buy/boatlife--life-seal-sealant--P004_127_003_005
> 
> It is for both below and above the waterline and can be removed if
> necessary.  I've used it before with good success.
> 
> Hank
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:43 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> 3m 5200 It is what most manufacturers are using for hull to deck
>> sealants.  It is true it is an adhesive. But, it is a waterproof strongly
>> adherent, flexible one.  If removed you do have to grind it off with a
>> power drill and wire brush.  It may also make the boat less desirable to
>> recycle.
>> The 5200 adhesive and 4200 sealants are moisture cure polyurethanes.
>> Water causes it to cure and set up.  I do not believe Silicone is the
>> treatment of choice, though it would work for a while.  It looses its
>> adherence over time with the flexing of the hull and will wick moisture in
>> by capillary action within a few years.  Silicone also shouldnt be used
>> below the waterline ever! and someone used it to seal my through hull
>> joints.  I have to take them out and seal them properly too.
>> Who out there has used silicone and what is your experience? Silicone is
>> cheaper and great for house windows but i dont think it has a place on
>> board a boat.  It isnt totally waterproof and breaks down very fast in a
>> salty, warm environment. If you are bedding hardware you might want to
>> remove in the future, perhaps 3M 4200 might be the way to go.
>> Lets ask Rummy!
>> Bob
>> 
>>>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:07 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would not use 5200 if I were you.  It is a permanent adhesive and not
>>> designed for this type of application.  Use a sealant instead and you'll
>> be
>>> better off.
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Graham: Yes that is what i meant.  These boats have a notoriously leaky
>>>> hull to deck joint.  Stan explained it was due to the workers
>> ineptitude he
>>>> had applying the joint caulk during those years.  They probably caulked
>> the
>>>> seam after the hull and deck were fastened instead of caulking both
>> sides
>>>> then putting the sandwich together and just wiping away the excess.
>>>> I am going to remove the rail, clean out as much old caulk as i can and
>>>> then seal it with 3m 5200 and re-attach the rub rail. It shouldnt leak
>> any
>>>> more.  I did this once before on an 80's era boat and it worked great.
>>>> Shortcuts were happening in every industry back then.
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 9:43 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I doubt that it is the rub rail that is leaking. If it is leaking
>> through
>>>>> the screw holes you might get away with just removing the screws one
>> at a
>>>>> time and reinserting with sealant. It is more likely that the leak is
>>>> behind
>>>>> the rub rail where the deck and hull join.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>>>> Email
>>>>> List
>>>>> Sent: January-15-15 6:56 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soul of the sole
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Rummy.
>>>>> Yes i already have the bleach and scrub brush out there.  I am going to
>>>> do
>>>>> the rub rail first though.  Very leaky boat!
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 5:06 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm sure you are aware of this,but the photo shows a great deal of
>> mold.
>>>>>> You might want to clean the area really good with a soapy bleach
>>>>>> solution prior  to installing the new stringers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In a message dated 1/14/2015 9:29:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20150114/6
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