[Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof Plate
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Living a little dangerously with that reconditioned heart aren't you??
Charles
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98 R 22
> On May 7, 2015, at 6:39 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Rick,
> And Stan is always right? Don't you believe it.
> Now ducking for cover.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 5/7/2015 4:41:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> I've tried epoxy. It holds the screws too tight for tear-out, resulting in
> major gelcoat damage. Stan's instructions for the deck crane block specify
> 3M 4200. And that seals just fine.
>
> Rick
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:27 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>> I'm, sorry, but I disagree. You must fill the holes with epoxy for
> strength
>> and also to seal the area from water penetration. 4200 should not be
> used.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/4/2015 11:31:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>>
>> Filling the larger holes with epoxy would be very risky. The next time
>> you
>> over stress the plate, the epoxy plugs plus gelcoat will tear out. It
>> would be better to fill with 3M 4200.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. My blunder is limited to the Cabin Roof Plate, so far, that
> the
>>> hoist crane attaches to and your advice to drill out the screw holes
>> and
>>> fill with epoxy sound good.
>>>
>>> Details:
>>>
>>> READ THE INSTRUCTIONS! Ok, I have had my boat for five years and had
>> the
>>> mast up and down a few times so I figured this would be a 20 minute
>>> exercise to lower the mast for some mast top maintenance. The mast
>> crane
>>> that came with my boat has a bale on it to connect the line with
>> shackles
>>> to the bale on the mast. The crane currently on my boat was
> apparently
>>> replaced during a visit to the plant with a different crane that does
>> not
>>> have a bale rather two connection points for the turnbuckles of the
> two
>> aft
>>> lower shrouds. I have never lowered the mast with the shroud method
>> before
>>> so I simply clipped one end of the line with shackles to the bow cleat
>> and
>>> the other end to the crane and then connected the crane line to the
> mast
>>> bale. That is backwards from the instructions I failed to read. The
>> mast
>>> came down but pulled the crane base plate out of the cabin top and the
>> mast
>>> decided to go 45 degrees to port. I managed to pull the mast back to
>>> center and lower it then realized two more blunders. I remembered to
>>> disconnect the sliding hatch but failed to close the hatch and failed
> to
>>> move the slider up the mast. My sliding hatch now has some crunched
>>> fiberglass to remind me to close the hatch next time. The final error
>> was
>>> not having sufficient length in the lower forward shrouds that get the
>>> chains. Wrong chain position and or not having the turnbuckle open
>>> enough. The result was some very tight shrouds that bent the top of
> the
>>> chain plates. So after five years of boating without any major screw
>> ups I
>>> suppose this makes me an official Rhodie!
>>>
>>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>>
>>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>>> Suite 300
>>> Washington, DC 20007
>>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile
>>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>>
>>>
>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email
>> List
>>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 10:30 AM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof Plate
>>>
>>> Christopher,
>>>
>>> I would drill out the holes you are going to make for the screws
> twice
>> as
>>> wide and the teeth of the screws, then back fill the holes with Epoxy.
>>> Once that is dry, sand it flush with the deck and drill pilot holes
> into
>>> the epoxy for the new screws.
>>>
>>> This way there is no direct path from the screw to the core material
> and
>>> you don't end up with a soft deck like I have. Lots of people try to
>>> depend on the surface sealants between the plate and the deck, but the
>> work
>>> that happens at the screw/plate/deck area will create an opening to
> the
>>> core where water can seep. By drilling out a hole twice as wide as
> the
>>> screws teeth, you gain a water proof buffer between the screws and the
>>> water absorbing core material.
>>>
>>> James Nichols
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email
>> List
>>> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:12 AM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof Plate
>>>
>>> I managed to rip the cabin roof plate, used to connect the mast hoist
>>> crane, off my boat yesterday, don't ask how, and I need to
> reinstall. I
>>> understand that this plate can be screwed to the cabin top or thru
>> bolted.
>>> I prefer to try and make the repair with the screws. I will use 3M
> 5200
>>> Polyurethane Adhesive/Sealant from the plate to the cabin top. My
>> question
>>> is what I should fill the two screw holes with to re insert the
> screws?
>> I
>>> assume this should be the West System #404 High Density Filler that
> can
>> be
>>> injected into the striped screw holes and then re drill two 3/16"
> pilot
>>> holes once it has dried. Does this seem like to correct repair?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>>
>>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>>> Suite 300
>>> Washington, DC 20007
>>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile [
>>> ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>>
>>>
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