[Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof Plate
The Rhodes 22 Email List
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Thu May 7 22:02:24 EDT 2015
It is blasphemy. Call the grand inquisitor.
Ron
> On May 7, 2015, at 20:36, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Living a little dangerously with that reconditioned heart aren't you??
>
>
> Charles
> s/v Daydreams
> 98 R 22
>
>> On May 7, 2015, at 6:39 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> Rick,
>> And Stan is always right? Don't you believe it.
>> Now ducking for cover.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2015 4:41:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>>
>> Rummy,
>>
>> I've tried epoxy. It holds the screws too tight for tear-out, resulting in
>> major gelcoat damage. Stan's instructions for the deck crane block specify
>> 3M 4200. And that seals just fine.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:27 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Rick,
>>> I'm, sorry, but I disagree. You must fill the holes with epoxy for
>> strength
>>> and also to seal the area from water penetration. 4200 should not be
>> used.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 5/4/2015 11:31:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>>>
>>> Filling the larger holes with epoxy would be very risky. The next time
>>> you
>>> over stress the plate, the epoxy plugs plus gelcoat will tear out. It
>>> would be better to fill with 3M 4200.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks. My blunder is limited to the Cabin Roof Plate, so far, that
>> the
>>>> hoist crane attaches to and your advice to drill out the screw holes
>>> and
>>>> fill with epoxy sound good.
>>>>
>>>> Details:
>>>>
>>>> READ THE INSTRUCTIONS! Ok, I have had my boat for five years and had
>>> the
>>>> mast up and down a few times so I figured this would be a 20 minute
>>>> exercise to lower the mast for some mast top maintenance. The mast
>>> crane
>>>> that came with my boat has a bale on it to connect the line with
>>> shackles
>>>> to the bale on the mast. The crane currently on my boat was
>> apparently
>>>> replaced during a visit to the plant with a different crane that does
>>> not
>>>> have a bale rather two connection points for the turnbuckles of the
>> two
>>> aft
>>>> lower shrouds. I have never lowered the mast with the shroud method
>>> before
>>>> so I simply clipped one end of the line with shackles to the bow cleat
>>> and
>>>> the other end to the crane and then connected the crane line to the
>> mast
>>>> bale. That is backwards from the instructions I failed to read. The
>>> mast
>>>> came down but pulled the crane base plate out of the cabin top and the
>>> mast
>>>> decided to go 45 degrees to port. I managed to pull the mast back to
>>>> center and lower it then realized two more blunders. I remembered to
>>>> disconnect the sliding hatch but failed to close the hatch and failed
>> to
>>>> move the slider up the mast. My sliding hatch now has some crunched
>>>> fiberglass to remind me to close the hatch next time. The final error
>>> was
>>>> not having sufficient length in the lower forward shrouds that get the
>>>> chains. Wrong chain position and or not having the turnbuckle open
>>>> enough. The result was some very tight shrouds that bent the top of
>> the
>>>> chain plates. So after five years of boating without any major screw
>>> ups I
>>>> suppose this makes me an official Rhodie!
>>>>
>>>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>>>
>>>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>>>> Suite 300
>>>> Washington, DC 20007
>>>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile
>>>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email
>>> List
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 10:30 AM
>>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof Plate
>>>>
>>>> Christopher,
>>>>
>>>> I would drill out the holes you are going to make for the screws
>> twice
>>> as
>>>> wide and the teeth of the screws, then back fill the holes with Epoxy.
>>>> Once that is dry, sand it flush with the deck and drill pilot holes
>> into
>>>> the epoxy for the new screws.
>>>>
>>>> This way there is no direct path from the screw to the core material
>> and
>>>> you don't end up with a soft deck like I have. Lots of people try to
>>>> depend on the surface sealants between the plate and the deck, but the
>>> work
>>>> that happens at the screw/plate/deck area will create an opening to
>> the
>>>> core where water can seep. By drilling out a hole twice as wide as
>> the
>>>> screws teeth, you gain a water proof buffer between the screws and the
>>>> water absorbing core material.
>>>>
>>>> James Nichols
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email
>>> List
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:12 AM
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof Plate
>>>>
>>>> I managed to rip the cabin roof plate, used to connect the mast hoist
>>>> crane, off my boat yesterday, don't ask how, and I need to
>> reinstall. I
>>>> understand that this plate can be screwed to the cabin top or thru
>>> bolted.
>>>> I prefer to try and make the repair with the screws. I will use 3M
>> 5200
>>>> Polyurethane Adhesive/Sealant from the plate to the cabin top. My
>>> question
>>>> is what I should fill the two screw holes with to re insert the
>> screws?
>>> I
>>>> assume this should be the West System #404 High Density Filler that
>> can
>>> be
>>>> injected into the striped screw holes and then re drill two 3/16"
>> pilot
>>>> holes once it has dried. Does this seem like to correct repair?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>>>
>>>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>>>> Suite 300
>>>> Washington, DC 20007
>>>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile [
>>>> ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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