[Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof Plate

The Rhodes 22 Email List rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Fri May 8 11:24:38 EDT 2015


Rummy,

You're about to be burned at the stake, or mast.  So you better run, or
swim.

Rick

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:38 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Rick,
> And Stan is always right? Don't you believe it.
> Now ducking for cover.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 5/7/2015 4:41:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> I've tried epoxy.  It holds the screws too tight  for tear-out, resulting
> in
> major gelcoat damage.  Stan's instructions  for the deck crane block
> specify
> 3M 4200.  And that seals just  fine.
>
> Rick
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:27 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email  List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> >  I'm, sorry, but I disagree. You must fill the holes with epoxy for
> strength
> >  and also to seal the area from water penetration. 4200  should not be
> used.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message  dated 5/4/2015 11:31:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
> >
> > Filling  the larger  holes with epoxy would be very risky.  The next time
> > you
> >  over stress the plate, the epoxy plugs plus gelcoat will tear  out.   It
> > would be better to fill with 3M 4200.
> >
> >  Rick
> >
> > On  Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM, The Rhodes 22  Email List  <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks.  My  blunder is limited to the  Cabin Roof Plate, so far, that
> the
> > > hoist  crane attaches  to  and your advice to drill out the screw holes
> > and
> > >  fill with epoxy sound good.
> > >
> > >  Details:
> >  >
> > > READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!  Ok, I have had my boat   for five years and had
> > the
> > > mast up and down a few times  so I figured  this would be a 20 minute
> > > exercise to lower  the mast for some mast top  maintenance.  The mast
> >  crane
> > > that came with my boat has a bale on  it to connect  the line with
> > shackles
> > > to the bale on the  mast.   The crane currently on my boat was
> apparently
> > >  replaced during a visit  to the plant with a different crane that
> does
> > not
> > > have a bale rather  two connection points  for the turnbuckles of the
> two
> > aft
> > > lower   shrouds.  I have never lowered the mast with the shroud method
> >  before
> > > so I simply clipped one end of the line with shackles to  the  bow
> cleat
> > and
> > > the other end to the crane and  then connected the crane  line to the
> mast
> > > bale.  That  is backwards from the instructions I  failed to read.  The
> >  mast
> > > came down but pulled the crane base  plate out of the  cabin top and
> the
> > mast
> > > decided to go 45 degrees to   port.  I managed to pull the mast back to
> > > center and lower  it  then realized two more blunders.  I remembered to
> > >  disconnect the  sliding hatch but failed to close the hatch and failed
>  to
> > > move the  slider up the mast.  My sliding hatch now  has some crunched
> > >  fiberglass to remind me to close the  hatch next time.  The final
> error
> > was
> > > not having  sufficient length in the lower forward shrouds that get
> the
> > >  chains.  Wrong chain position and or not having the  turnbuckle  open
> > > enough.  The result was some very tight shrouds   that bent the top of
> the
> > > chain plates.  So after five years  of  boating without any major screw
> > ups I
> > > suppose  this makes me an  official Rhodie!
> > >
> > > Christopher  P. Cowie
> > >
> > > 4400  MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > >  Suite 300
> > > Washington, DC 20007
> > >  202.342.2711  ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile
> > >   [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > >
> > >
> > > Please  consider the  environment before printing this email.
> >  >
> > > -----Original  Message-----
> > > From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > >   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email
> >  List
> > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 10:30 AM
> > > To: 'The  Rhodes 22  Email List'
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin  Roof  Plate
> > >
> > > Christopher,
> > >
> >  > I would drill out the holes  you are going to make for the screws
> twice
> > as
> > > wide and the teeth of  the screws, then  back fill the holes with
> Epoxy.
> > > Once that is dry,  sand it  flush with the deck and drill pilot holes
> into
> > > the epoxy  for  the new screws.
> > >
> > > This way there is no  direct path from the  screw to the core material
> and
> > > you  don't end up with a soft deck like  I have.  Lots of people try
> to
> > > depend on the surface sealants  between the plate and the  deck, but
> the
> > work
> > > that happens at the   screw/plate/deck area will create an opening to
> the
> > > core where  water  can seep.  By drilling out a hole twice as wide as
> the
> > > screws  teeth, you gain a water proof buffer between the  screws and
> the
> > > water  absorbing core material.
> >  >
> > > James Nichols
> > >
> > >  -----Original  Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org   [mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The  Rhodes  22 Email
> > List
> > > Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:12  AM
> > > To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject:  [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof  Plate
> > >
> > > I managed to  rip the cabin roof plate, used to connect  the mast hoist
> > >  crane, off my boat yesterday, don't ask how, and I need  to
> reinstall.  I
> > > understand that this plate can be screwed to  the  cabin top or thru
> > bolted.
> > > I prefer to try and  make the repair with the  screws.  I will use 3M
> 5200
> > >  Polyurethane Adhesive/Sealant from  the plate to the cabin top.   My
> > question
> > > is what I should fill  the two screw  holes with to re insert the
> screws?
> >  I
> > >  assume  this should be the West System #404 High Density Filler that
> can
> > be
> > >  injected into the striped screw holes and  then re drill two 3/16"
> pilot
> > > holes once it has  dried.  Does this seem like to correct  repair?
> > >
> >  >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Christopher P.   Cowie
> > >
> > > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > > Suite  300
> > >  Washington, DC 20007
> > > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ●  202.342.2691 fax ●  202.270.1470 mobile [
> > >   ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > >
> > >
> > >
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