[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard weight

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Sat Sep 26 21:31:01 EDT 2015 

I just weighed my centerboard, as it is currently in my basement, using my bathroom scales and it is 75 pounds. It is the pre-diamond design. It might be a tad heavier than others as I drilled into the board to fill voids with epoxy.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




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Sent: September 25, 2015 11:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route

I think Graham is right. I don't think the centerboard weighs 200 lbs unless someone rebuilt it. I'm sure I'm not lifting a 200 lb board. The diamond board can't be much different in weight from the old-style centerboard in weight as the overall specs for the boat didn't change.

This was discussed before on this list. Rummy said about 65lbs.
http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Centerboard-statistics-tt9540.html#a9541

John Shulick said 100lbs for his old style CB on his 71 (and he weighed it)
http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Ballast-td43098.html#a43099

more:
http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/fixing-swing-keel-tt41009.html#a41012

Mary Lou





At 09:57 PM 9/25/2015, you wrote:
>My centerboard is either a lot less than 200 lbs or I am much stronger 
>than I thought as I have carried if off and back on to my boat 
>repeatedly. My guess is that it weighs about 80 lbs. Could there be 
>that much variation between boats? Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 
>Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From:
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>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 
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>September 25, 2015 2:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: 
>[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route Graham, Considering 
>the weight of the center board is about 200 lbs,  and it doesn't 
>displace much water,  I'm guessing the only assistance you are going to 
>get is about 15 lbs of buoyancy (couple gallons of water displaced),  
>so the keel's effective weight without the blocks will be like trying 
>to lift 175lbs with the pennant. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date:Fri, Sep 25,
>2015 at 11:56 AM Subject:Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard 
>line route Graham, I had the system with the blocks on my '81.  I 
>replaced the blocks from Dwyer once in 33 years for pocket change.  My 
>'91 has the diamond board without blocks and is too heavy for my wife 
>to raise.  As I age, I look to more mechanical advantage rather than 
>less. My last order for spares from Dwyer
>(https://www.dwyermast.com/families.asp?cat1ID=70&cat1Name=Blocks)
>in August of this year was as follows: DH 
>441    - Shroud Adjuster    1 Ordered 
>@     $10.10/ea    Item Total - $10.10 DH 
>855    - Shackle        3 Ordered 
>@     $4.70/ea    Item Total - $14.10 DH 
>921    - Eye Strap        3 Ordered 
>@     $1.50/ea    Item Total - $4.50 DH 923    - 
>Eye Strap        1 Ordered 
>@     $4.00/ea    Item Total - $4.00 DH 912    - 
>Swivel Block        5 Ordered 
>@     $10.90/ea    Item Total - $54.50 DH 
>911    - Bullet Block        3 Ordered 
>@     $7.50/ea    Item Total - $22.50 Sub 
>Total:  $109.70    Shipping & Handling: 
>$13.88    CT Sales Tax: $0.00    Order Total: 
>$123.58 Not really a lot of money to be able to replace chewed up 
>blocks and stuff. Mike s/v Windlass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY 
>-----Original Message----- From:
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>centerboard line route I wonder if anyone has gone without blocks on 
>the older centerboard. I like the idea of abandoning the blocks but 
>when I "tested" it on my boat by simply trying to raise the board while 
>on dry land it seemed to require a lot of effort. Perhaps when in the 
>water it would be easier. On my boat I found that the blocks had all 
>seized up so going without them might eliminate something that can, and 
>will,  go wrong. Graham Stewart Agile. R22,
>1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original
>Message----- From: 
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>September 24, 2015 12:26 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: 
>[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route Yes we do have the 
>"diamond board" and that may make a difference for the angle of the 
>pennant to the attachment points. However, we did originally have a 
>block or blocks. I believe (but don't know) that they are similar 
>weights. Mary Lou At 11:46 AM 9/24/2015, you wrote: >Don't you have the 
>diamond board Mary Lou? >Jerry > > >  We are amongst those who have 
>dispensed with the blocks. > > > > It makes it very easy to change out 
>the pennant with the boat up in > > slings for bottom painting (after 
>doing it ourselves for several > > years, we now pay a marina to bottom 
>paint the boat.)  And we > > haven't found it hard to raise or lower 
>the centerboard
>- I do that > > mostly.  It's not effortless, but it's not hard either. 
>> > > > Best, > > Mary Lou > > 1991 R22 Fretless > > > > At 11:36 AM 
>9/24/2015, you wrote: > >>Here is a crude diagram of how mine is set up 
>on a 76 boat.
>The > >>difference between this and Rob's is that the line starts at 
>the cap > >>rather than the centreboard. In Ron's case there will be 
>three > >>attachment points on the centerboard while with mine there 
>are just > >>two. Frankly, I would not worry too much about the route 
>you take. > >>Using blocks should make raising the centerboard easier 
>but > >>apparently some have dispensed with the blocks altogether. I 
>tested > >>that myself and found that the weight on the line was 
>substantial > >>and aside for the effort to raise it, that put a lot 
>more strain on > >>the cleat. It may be, however, that the newer 
>"diamond" > >>centerboards require less effort to raise. > >>Graham 
>Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada > >>-----Original 
>Message-----
>From: > >>rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > >> 
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes > 
>>>22 Email List
>Sent: > >>September 23, 2015 5:07 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List 
>Subject:
>Re: > >>[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? Depends on your setup, but here is 
>one > >>possible routing. - Rob > 
>>>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes2
>2-lis >
>t/attachments/20140507/b8028f59/attachment.JPG >
> >>Rob Lowe -----Original Message-----
>From: > >>rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > >> 
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes > 
>>>22 Email List
>Sent: > >>Wednesday, September 23, 2015 4:43 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>Subject: 
>Re: > >>[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? Might search the archives,  but I > 
>>>remember a diagram of being posted of the pendant and associated > 
>>>blocks,  I believe it listed the length of line needed. > >>James. 
>Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"The Rhodes 22 Email > >>List" > 
>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date:Wed, Sep 23, > >>2015 at 12:49 PM
>Subject:Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? I agree with > >>Graham. Use the 
>yacht braid (anyone know the ideal length needed?). > >>Yours probably 
>was replaced with inferior line.  Keep an eye out for > >>something 
>sharp.  I wouldnt whip the line. Bob (palatka) > On Sep > >>23, 2015, 
>at 11:08 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List > >><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
>wrote: > >
>Slim: > The line also has to > >>pass through a series of blocks and I 
>would be concerned that the > >>whipping might not pass through 
>properly. I would skip the whipping > >>and try to find out what is 
>fraying the line. Mine is still good > >>after 40 years so I expect 
>there is some rough edge rubbing on the > >>line that might be 
>corrected fairly easily. > > Graham Stewart > > >>Agile. R22, > >>1976 
>> Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > -----Original
>Message----- > >>>
>From: > >>rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > >
> >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
>On Behalf Of The Rhodes > >>22 > Email List >
>Sent: > >>September 22, 2015 10:18 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > 
>> >>Subject: Re:
>[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? > > Thanks all for the > >>welcoming 
>replies. > >>Nice to see some familiar names and old friends. > 
>>>Fandango's been on the hard for a few years while I went through > 
>>>some major changes but I finally got her in the water this summer > 
>>>and remembered why I like this boat so much. I've done quite a bit > 
>>>of much-needed maintenance and still more to come but the > 
>>>centerboard line was about to break so that's the priority now. > > > 
>>>I was able to get in contact with Stan who said the neoprene gasket > 
>>>should be reusable and that any quarter inch line will do, although > 
>>>I'll look for the high quality yacht braid Bob suggests. I'm > 
>>>thinking a whipping right where it gets cleated would be a good idea 
>> >>so long as it doesn't bulk up the line too much to slide through 
>the > >>hole.
>While I have the line out I might drill that hole just a > >>little 
>bigger. I never want to do this job again so an anti-chafe > >>whip 
>came to mind. > > I started in on it today and took off the > >>breaker 
>panel, the big board that serves as the companionway step, > >>settee 
>and hinged passageway (all one piece), the step support and > >>the 
>floor board around the trunk. I counted 56 bolts around the > >>trunk!
>They're ss phillips heads (many stripped out heads at that > >>-- don't 
>know why they'd be stripped -- how many times has the trunk > >>been 
>removed?) with washers and lock nuts. It's a royal PITA > >>removing 
>even the bolts with the good heads to say nothing of the > >>stripped 
>ones! I got about half of them off and quit for the day. > > >>> This 
>may take a while but there should be plenty of good weather > >>left in 
>the season to work on it before it gets too cold so no need > >>to rush 
>through it. [grin] I'll try to get some photos and keep you > >>posted. 
>> > Thanks again everybody! > > -Slim > >> On Tue, Sep 22, > >>2015 at 
>3:17 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < > >>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>wrote: >> >> > >>Slim: Use high quality yacht braid.  It will last 
>longer than other > >>>> line in a cam cleat. >> The gasket is neoprene 
>and doesnt need a > >>sealant. Just clean the >> surfaces really well. 
>>> If your cap is > >>put on with screws, most recommend changing to ss 
>>> bolts and > >>nylock ss nuts. >> >> Bob
>(palatka) >> >>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at
>1:35 > >>PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
>> >>wrote: >>> >>> Hello dear Rhodies -- My name is Steve Alm
>("Slim") > >>and I live in >>> Minneapolis, MN and also in Menomonie, 
>WI. I was > >>an active list user >>> for quite a few years back before 
>many of us > >>migrated to Facebook. >>> I've had >> my >>> R22 for 
>about 17 years > >>and it needs some attention. > >>The centerboard >> 
>control >>> line is getting frayed where it > >>always meets the cleat 
>when all the >>> way >> up >>> so I want to > >>replace it before it 
>breaks and I'd have no way to >>> raise >> it. > >>I >>> guess then I'd 
>have a fixed keel boat, No? >>> >>> I've > >>emailed Stan for a trunk 
>gasket and possibly the line itself.
>I >> > >>don't >>> know exactly what kind of line this is. It's stiffer 
>than > >>the stuff >>> I see at West Marine so I don't really know what 
>to > >>ask for, or if >>> it's even critical. >>> >>> Have any of y'all 
>> >>ever done this? I'd love some advice or tips on >>> the procedure. 
>> >>For instance, when you put all the trunk screws back >>> in, do >> 
>> >>you >>> need to use a torque wrench to get them all the same? 
>Gasket > >>sealer >>> brand/type? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any > 
>>>suggestions. >>> Slim >>> SV Fandango >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 > 
>>>at
>12:10 PM, Rod Ellner
><rodellner at icloud.com> >> > >>wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi List! >>>> >>>> This 
>is from Mary (Rod̢۪s > >>wife).  .  I am sending this, as Slim 
>(Steven >> Alm) >>>> has a Rhodes > >>22 issue…ââ€Â¦.and he has been 
>â€Å¢â‚¬Å“off da list†for >>>> > >>awhileâ€Â¦…(and Rand Rummy the 
>Rhodes Guru is no longer with
>us!)) >>>> > >>>>>> Take him “under > >>your 
>wingsâ€!      T   Thank You! >>>> >>>> Mary 
>Ellner >>>> s/v Toy > >>Blew >>>> St Croix River/WI >>>>>> On Sep 22, 
>2015, at 10:27 AM, The > >>Rhodes 22 Email List < >>>>> 
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>wrote: > >>>>>>> >>>>> General Boats is listed online in the Exhibitors 
>list, > >>but the >>>>> Rhodes >> 22 > >>>>>> is >>>>> not listed in 
>the boat list. Maybe Stan is just > >>bringing groceries >> from >>>> 
>his >>>>> new business. >>>>> >>>>> > >>Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >
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