[Rhodes22-list] Thanks Chris G. Re: R22 capsize in Force 10

Thu Dec 26 20:12:21 EST 2019

Thanks Chris. I remember a similar story from somewhere in the Carolinas 
with a microburst. I've got it detailed somewhere in the files and I'll 
add your story to the mix.
Mary Lou

On 12/21/2019 10:24 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> If the Rhodes has as “design” flaw then lots of Rhodes would have had these
> problems over the last 60 years.  Anybody? Anybody?  I’ve owned a Rhodes
> since 1976. Mine did actually capsize. Of course it took a tornado to knock
> it over while anchored in the “pot” on Poplar Island. According to my buddy
> who was aboard and another eyewitness off the boat: The mast hit the mud
> (12 ft deep) and the boat “pole vaulted” up then slowly drove the mast into
> the mud. Did the boat right itself? Nope, So technically a capsize. It
> popped right back up when we detached the stays and tabernacle pin. The
> entire weight of the boat was focused on the mast step. No structural
> damage. Design flaw?  Can’t think of any other boat that would have
> survived as well as the Rhodes. Do I trust the Rhodes?  With my life.  43
> years and more than 10,000 miles of ocean, river. bay, and lake sailing I
> still am sailing the Rhodes.
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
> On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 at 07:45, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Richard. I had forgotten that one. I'll add it to the list I will
>> cite in my letter to SCA.
>>
>> I'm probably not going to get to it until after the New Year so if
>> anyone else would like to remind me of examples of how the R22 can
>> handle squalls and storms. I've got the ones from the owners group FAQ.
>>
>> My point will be that any boat can be overcome by the right set of
>> conditions but to attribute the loss of this R22 to supposed design
>> flaws is a real stretch.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mary Lou
>>
>> On 12/20/2019 8:02 PM, Richard Beytagh wrote:
>>> If anyone has concerns about the Rhodes 22 being able to withstand
>> extreme
>>> weather conditions have a look the attached. This was a boat I delivered
>> to
>>> Port St Joe a couple of years ago. This area was hit by hurricane Mike
>>> head-on and this was the only boat in the marina that survived intact. I
>>> know it's not the same as being out at sea in a force 10, but it speaks
>>> spades when all others had been washed a way or sunk:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOfAtfXoJ44&authuser=0
>>>
>>> Go to around 2:30min  to see the lone dark blue R22 still floating...
>>>
>>>
>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>>
>>> Richard Beytagh
>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:30 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> So I just read the Small Craft Advisor article (Issue #121, p20) article
>>>> and I'm rather annoyed. I'll need to read the article again when I have
>>>> more time but here is a quick and somewhat careful synopsis.
>>>>
>>>> The author writes about sailing his Sailmaster 22 (good boat, Sparkman &
>>>> Stephens design) and getting caught in the same storm that capsized the
>>>> R22. In many ways, it's a good article about what he did in the face of
>>>> the storm and what he should have done better. He gets onto shaky ground
>>>> when he starts talking about why the R22 capsized (he doesn't seem to
>>>> have direct knowledge in spite of talking to the skipper of the R22 and
>>>> is just speculating on how the design may have contributed to the
>>>> capsize) and why his boat didn't. He makes at least one error and a
>>>> couple errors of omission in talking about the design of the R22.
>>>>
>>>> Early on in the article the author quotes me from my chapter in "Sailing
>>>> Small" quoting GB's website about the R22 being "uncapsizeable under
>>>> sail." It's irrelevant as the R22 was motoring at the time as was the
>>>> Sailmaster. Both evidently saw the storm while near the mouth of their
>>>> home creek and both elected to make a run for the dock or at least
>>>> sheltered water. The R22 was capsized. dismasted and "the salvage crew
>>>> couldn't refloat the boat, so a crane was used to lift it onto a small
>>>> barge." The Rhodes evidently had extensive damage to the bow and was
>>>> uninsured.
>>>>
>>>> I'm planning on writing a letter to SCA correcting a couple of
>>>> statements by the author and adding some thoughts of my own having had
>>>> the R22 out in a significant squall as described in Sailing Small. If
>>>> any Long Island Rhodies know more about the incident, I'd love to hear
>> it.
>>>> Mary Lou
>>>> ex-R22
>>>> now Rosborough RF-246
>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/20/2019 11:33 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote:
>>>>> This popped up on my phone. The Rhodes 22 is in good company.
>>>>> Donna Lang on her second solo circumnavigation trip in her Southern
>> Cross
>>>>> 28 , 1982 vintage,
>>>>> got caught in 50 mph winds and was knocked down and dis-masted. This
>> is a
>>>>> Blue Water boat
>>>>> with a Dis./Bal. of 40%. It can happen to anyone. You can't mess with
>>>>> mother nature; well you can but your playing against the house.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cary
>>>>> Whisper '86
>>>>> Radford,VA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Was the boat sailing or laying to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick Lange
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 12:07 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Force 10.  That is 55 mph, and up, winds with giant waves.  I guess
>> we
>>>>>>> will have to lower any claims to 50 mph winds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have spent most off my sailing days on the Great South Bay.  It is
>> so
>>>>>>> shallow it is impossible to lose anything. And although on the ocean
>>>>>>> side of Long Island, there never was anything close to a force 10
>> storm
>>>>>>> in my day.  Global warming?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We did list once in the middle of the night when low tide had the
>>>> family
>>>>>>> sleeping stacked up on top of each other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/19/19 8:49 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>>>> details?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 12:53 PM gramille <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did any of you read the article in the latest issue of Small Craft
>>>>>>> Advisor
>>>>>>>>> about the loss of a R22 in Long Islands Great South Bay? Sobering
>>>>>>> reading!
>>>>>>>>> Have a Happy New Year full of safe sailing adventures.
>>>>>>>>>      Graham in snowy Vermont
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>