[Rhodes22-list] Swinging at anchor?

[Shawn Boles]

Hi Chris:

I thought you had a riding sail and that it worked well for you. If you
still have pictures could you post them?

Thanks and cheers,

Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo




On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 1:16 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I like the bow eye and painter anchoring method. I’ll try it next year when
> I can get to Enosis in Greece. I was given as a gift a riding sail similar
> to a Banner Bay sail. I don’t use a boom room so I’m not a windvane and the
> boat hunts a lot. With the riding sail it is rock steady. If the swell is
> off from the wind I can often bring the bow into the swell for a nice
> night’s sleep using an appropriate preventer. I don’t use it if there are
> strong  altering tidal currents.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
>
> ENOSIS
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 09:28, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > By the time I put up the pop top + enclosure and the cockpit boom room
> > enclosure, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has so much windage aft of the center
> of
> > buoyancy; that, the bow always points strongly into the wind, like a big
> > weather vane.  This weather vane tendency is so strong it overwhelms any
> > effect that the off center pull from using the bow chock/bow cleat vs.
> the
> > bow eye might cause.  Yes, in theory, the off center pull does generate a
> > torque that might cause the boat to sail around its anchor.  But, the
> > weather vane effect from the excess windage aft completely dominates the
> > boat’s response to a wind shift.
> >
> > We don’t have tidal current shifts here on the great lakes and rivers
> > always tend to flow in the same direction.  I’d be interested in hearing
> > from ocean sailing Rhodies regarding whether anchoring from the bow eye
> vs.
> > bow chock/bow cleat makes any difference in the way the boat lies to a
> > current vs. the way it lies to the wind.  My expectation is that there is
> > very little difference; but, I’d like to hear from people that have
> actual
> > experience.
> >
> > Regarding the question about using the bow eye vs. the bow chock/bow
> cleat
> > when tied up to a mooring – Commercial moorings usually have a huge
> > mushroom anchor or engine block buried in the mud and all chain rode up
> to
> > the mooring ball.  This setup has little, if any, shock absorbing
> > properties.  But, isn’t the pennant from the mooring ball up to the boat
> > usually nylon?  Isn’t that where the shock absorbing is supposed to
> occur?
> > If so, you definitely wouldn’t want to use chain here.  Given the huge
> size
> > of the mooring anchor and all steel chain rode, I don’t think it makes
> much
> > difference whether you use the bow eye or the bow chock/bow cleat when
> > tying up to a mooring.  That huge, deeply set, mooring anchor is not
> going
> > to move no matter how much or how little scope you let out.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > Windows 10
> >
> > From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:40 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bow Eye vs. Bow Cleat?
> >
> > I am in total agreement with Roger on the benefits of anchoring from the
> > bow eye rather than the bow cleat.
> >
> > My approach to doing so is a little different.  I have 10’ of 3/8” line
> > with a thimble in one end permanently attached to the bow eye with a
> > shackle.  I refer to this line as my ‘painter’.  When I’m not anchored,
> the
> > painter is looped over and tied off to the pulpit.  After I’ve anchored,
> I
> > attach the painter to the rode, and let out more scope so that the
> painter
> > takes the load.
> >
> > In addition to effectively increasing your scope, this approach
> eliminates
> > any chafing that might occur where the rode comes over the toe-rail.
> >
> > I originally tried this approach because someone way back in the archives
> > suggested that it would reduce the tendency of R22 to swing on its
> anchor.
> > Unfortunately I did not find this to be true to any significant extent.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 5:51 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > There is a real advantage to rigging the anchor line thru the bow eye
> > vs. directly to the bow cleat.  The choice of the bow eye vs. the bow
> cleat
> > has a significant effect on the anchor scope.  This is because the bow
> eye
> > is ~1.5 ft closer to the water vs the bow cleat.  For example, suppose we
> > are anchoring in 7 feet of water.  The bow eye is ~2 feet above the water
> > and the bow cleat is ~3.5 feet above the water.  Suppose we let out 65
> feet
> > of anchor rode.  The scope using the bow eye is 65 / (7 + 2) = 7.2  The
> > scope using the bow cleat is 65 / (7 + 3.5) = 6.2  A scope of 7.2 is
> > sufficient for decent overnight holding with a minimum 65 foot radius
> swing
> > circle.  A scope of 6.2 is marginal for an overnight night stay.
> > Sometimes, there isn’t sufficient swing room to let out more anchor rode,
> > say if you are the last boat to drop the hook in a crowded anchorage.  In
> > addition, it’s considered bad anchoring etiquette to use up all the swing
> > room in an anchorage even if you are the first one there.
> > >
> > > Fortunately, you don’t have to tie off to the bow eye in order to get
> > the scope advantage of using it.  Simply run the anchor rode thru the bow
> > eye first, then up to the bow cleat, and cleat it off.  This will give
> you
> > all the scope advantage of using the bow eye and all the ease of tying
> off
> > to the bow cleat.  When departing, reach down and hook the anchor rode
> with
> > a boat hook below the bow eye.  Pull the anchor rode on board, hang on to
> > it, and then uncleat the rode from the bow cleat.  Easy peasy and no
> stress
> > on the knees!
> > >
> > > I always use the bow eye in the manner described above.  There is just
> > no reason not to, the extra safety margin on scope helps me sleep better,
> > and I don’t annoy my fellow boaters.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >
> >
> >
>