[Rhodes22-list] Replacing diamondboard pendant

[Jesse Shumaker]

Hi Ric, the photo got stripped but your description led me to the right
part.  I measured and the opening where the pendant comes through to the
cockpit on my boat is also 5/8".  Thanks for the info.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 8:22 AM Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> Hopefully the attached photo will stay attached. Where the pendant comes
> to of the hull at the cam cleat, I have a plastic thru-hull fitting.
>
>
>
> Attwood Plastic Mushroom Head Thru-Hull Fitting - 5/8”
> Please confirm diameter before purchase
>
>
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
>
> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> www.stottarchitecture.com
> Office  631-283-1777
> Cell            516-965-3164
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 14, 2020, at 4:10 PM, John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Well, this is a timely question — I just tightened that last of the 54
> bolts holding the centerboard cap in place last night (my boat isn’t in the
> water). For the second time. I do have some pics. My diamond board was in
> rough shape. I don’t think it liked Lake Waco.
> >
> > I am not sure what the best way to attach images is. I am going to try
> attaching them to this message, but I’ve also shared them on Dropbox here
> (zipped together):
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/7tum1gvszoc8eom/rhodes-centerboard.zip?dl=0 <
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7tum1gvszoc8eom/rhodes-centerboard.zip?dl=0>
> >
> > While I am sure this can be done underwater, I am not sure I would be
> brave enough to try it with zero visibility. Taking the centerboard cap off
> and lifting the diamond board out should be done out of the water. It isn’t
> easy either, but you can see what you are doing.
> >
> >
> > John Carlson
> > Lillipelli 2004 (recycled 2012)
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 13, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
> <mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jesse:
> >> I have the older centerboard so others might well have better advice.
> >>
> >> What you suggest should work. I have never tried to do this type of
> work while the boat was in the water. I have always had the boat on the
> trailer and removed the centerboard cap - which is, admittedly, a pita. The
> advantage of doing it with the cap removed is that you get to inspect the
> centerboard for damage and check all of the blocks to make sure they are
> still working properly. Mine were not.
> >>
> >> My line is 12' long. It passes through a series of blocks so that when
> the board is down it uses quite a bit more line than you might think. In
> your circumstance I would not use less than 12'. Don't overlook tying the
> bitter end of the new line inside the boat so that you don't pull the whole
> line through.
> >>
> >> Use the same thickness of line as is currently installed.
> >>
> >> Given that you must pass through a series of blocks the join between
> the lines should be strong and flexible.
> >>
> >>
> >> If anything goes wrong - such as the line separating, you will want to
> have a backup plan to get the boat on its trailer while the board is down.
> Driving the boat onto the trailer should result in the board being lifted
> automatically by the keel roller but I would want to test this on your rig
> before committing to removing the line.
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca <mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>] On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:21 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing diamondboard pendant
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> My R22 was built in 1991 and refurbished in 2013 before I bought it.  It
> >> appears that my boat has the diamondboard (rather than centerboard) with
> >> the direct pull line.  As you can see from the attached photos, the
> pendant
> >> is wearing through to the point that I'm worried about it going all the
> way
> >> through so I want to replace the line before that happens.  In the
> photos,
> >> I didn't quite pull the diamondboard all the way back (a little over 1"
> >> from being fully pulled up) so you can see the fraying just before it
> goes
> >> in the hole.
> >>
> >> Today I put some goggles on, took a deep breath and dove under the boat
> a
> >> few times to locate where the pendant ties on to the daggerboard.
> >> Unfortunately, our lake water is so murky that I can't really see any
> >> detail beyond that there is a diamondboard extending down from the
> keel.  I
> >> can't even see the line, but I can feel where it ties on.
> >>
> >> From reading past posts regarding the diamondboard, it appears like 6 -
> 8'
> >> line should be sufficient.  Does anyone recommend a specific type of
> line?
> >>
> >> Here's my initial thoughts on steps to replace the pendant:
> >> 1) Remove the handle from the old pendant
> >> 2) Attach the handle to the new pendant
> >> 3) Attach the new pendant to the old pendant
> >> 4) Go below and pull the old pendant and keep pulling through until I
> get
> >> to where the old and new pendant are attached
> >> 5) Separate the new and old pendant
> >> 6) Untie the old pendant from the diamondboard or cut it off
> >> 7) Tie the new pendant to the diamondboard using a bowline knot
> >>
> >> Some additional thoughts:
> >>
> >> There's not a lift available at our sailing club so attaching the new
> >> pendant will be an underwater adventure.  Considering the visibility
> level
> >> in the water is so low, I'll have to be doing a lot of this by feel
> which
> >> means it will take longer than I can hold my breath.  I'm going to see
> if I
> >> can borrow some scuba gear from another sailor at the club.
> >>
> >> To attach the old and new pendants together, I'll use some very small
> line
> >> to tie them together, or perhaps some glue and/or tape.  It doesn't look
> >> like there is enough room to tie the old and new pendant together with a
> >> knot and still have it fit through the hole.
> >>
> >> I'm going to err on the side of using a longer than needed pendant line
> and
> >> then cut it to length up top after it has been tied in from below.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any pictures of where the pendant connects to the
> >> diamondboard?
> >>
> >> Are there any suggestions from the group before I proceed?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
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> >> On Jun 14, 2020, at 12:01 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> FYI, the use of a smaller line to establish a path for a larger line is
> called “sending a messenger line”.  The term comes from the old days of
> sailing when a small cannon was used to fire the messenger line from one
> ship to another or from the beach to a foundering ship, to be followed up
> with the larger line.  The technique is still used right up to this day to
> rig up hose from a tanker to another ship for refueling at sea.  Even
> nuclear powered aircraft carriers need regular deliveries of jet fuel for
> their aircraft.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <
> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows 10
> >>
> >> From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:23 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing diamondboard pendant
> >>
> >> Ric, thanks for the note regarding the flange.  I will address that as
> >> well.  It is good to know that it looks like I have some time before the
> >> pendant parts in two.  The guy at our sailing club with the SCUBA gear
> is
> >> out of town until late August or early September so this will be a
> project
> >> for late in the season.  Until then, I'll avoid cleating where it is
> >> wearing through.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 6:58 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you carefully tape the new line to old with electrical tape, but
> end to
> >>> but end you should be able to pull a new line through, even if yo have
> the
> >>> old style CB with blocks. Be sure to use flexible line of the same
> >>> diameter.
> >>> One observation of you photo at the frayed line. You are missing a
> plastic
> >>> flange to the top of the pendant hole in the fiberglass. The flange is
> >>> rounded and helps prevent the wear you are observing.  Lastly. You have
> >>> some time before the pendant wears thru.
> >>> Ric
> >>> Dadventure
> >>> HBNY
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 14, 2020, at 7:32 AM, Jesse Shumaker <
> >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Rick, thanks for your input.  I like your idea to use the fishing
> as
> >>> a
> >>>> threader and I plan to do that.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have been pulling up the board when in my slip because the boat gets
> >>> some
> >>>> side to side roll and the board can knock around a bit.  Also, I pull
> up
> >>>> the board at least part way when I am pulling in my slip when wind is
> >>>> coming off the lake at my stern.  I go past my slip just a bit and
> then
> >>>> quickly turn to head up into the wind slightly before turning into my
> >>>> slip.  It gets pretty shallow past my slip (there's only one more boat
> >>>> towards the beach after mine)  so pulling up the board lessens the
> draft
> >>> to
> >>>> give some room when executing that maneuver.
> >>>>
> >>>> I might hold off on replacing the pennant until it is hauled out as
> >>>> suggested.  Until then, when I need to pull up the board, I suppose
> that
> >>> I
> >>>> could just pull it up part of the way so the frayed portion of the
> line
> >>> is
> >>>> not resting in the cleat.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:56 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jesse,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If your boat stays wet all season, why do you have to pull the board
> up?
> >>>>> If you need to knock off mussels, just pull it up and down a couple
> >>> inches
> >>>>> each week.  Replace the pennant more easily when the boat is hauled
> out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There isn't enough room to pull through the knot tying together the
> old
> >>> and
> >>>>> new pennants.  Use fishing line as a threader.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rick Lange
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:20 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> >>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My R22 was built in 1991 and refurbished in 2013 before I bought it.
> >>> It
> >>>>>> appears that my boat has the diamondboard (rather than centerboard)
> >>> with
> >>>>>> the direct pull line.  As you can see from the attached photos, the
> >>>>> pendant
> >>>>>> is wearing through to the point that I'm worried about it going all
> the
> >>>>> way
> >>>>>> through so I want to replace the line before that happens.  In the
> >>>>> photos,
> >>>>>> I didn't quite pull the diamondboard all the way back (a little
> over 1"
> >>>>>> from being fully pulled up) so you can see the fraying just before
> it
> >>>>> goes
> >>>>>> in the hole.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Today I put some goggles on, took a deep breath and dove under the
> >>> boat a
> >>>>>> few times to locate where the pendant ties on to the daggerboard.
> >>>>>> Unfortunately, our lake water is so murky that I can't really see
> any
> >>>>>> detail beyond that there is a diamondboard extending down from the
> >>>>> keel.  I
> >>>>>> can't even see the line, but I can feel where it ties on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From reading past posts regarding the diamondboard, it appears like
> 6 -
> >>>>> 8'
> >>>>>> line should be sufficient.  Does anyone recommend a specific type of
> >>>>> line?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here's my initial thoughts on steps to replace the pendant:
> >>>>>> 1) Remove the handle from the old pendant
> >>>>>> 2) Attach the handle to the new pendant
> >>>>>> 3) Attach the new pendant to the old pendant
> >>>>>> 4) Go below and pull the old pendant and keep pulling through until
> I
> >>> get
> >>>>>> to where the old and new pendant are attached
> >>>>>> 5) Separate the new and old pendant
> >>>>>> 6) Untie the old pendant from the diamondboard or cut it off
> >>>>>> 7) Tie the new pendant to the diamondboard using a bowline knot
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Some additional thoughts:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There's not a lift available at our sailing club so attaching the
> new
> >>>>>> pendant will be an underwater adventure.  Considering the visibility
> >>>>> level
> >>>>>> in the water is so low, I'll have to be doing a lot of this by feel
> >>> which
> >>>>>> means it will take longer than I can hold my breath.  I'm going to
> see
> >>>>> if I
> >>>>>> can borrow some scuba gear from another sailor at the club.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To attach the old and new pendants together, I'll use some very
> small
> >>>>> line
> >>>>>> to tie them together, or perhaps some glue and/or tape.  It doesn't
> >>> look
> >>>>>> like there is enough room to tie the old and new pendant together
> with
> >>> a
> >>>>>> knot and still have it fit through the hole.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm going to err on the side of using a longer than needed pendant
> line
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> then cut it to length up top after it has been tied in from below.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does anyone have any pictures of where the pendant connects to the
> >>>>>> diamondboard?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are there any suggestions from the group before I proceed?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Jesse Shumaker
> >>>>>> S/V Zephyr
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