[Rhodes22-list] Head sail repair and broken stay

[jfn302 at yahoo.com]

Stan,

>From the way I understood them to be is that they should always be right=tighten.  Unless they are installed upside down.

All the barrels are threaded the same, they pretty much only vary based on diameter of the thread, material and whether they are pipe or open.

Every barrel has a left hand and a right hand threading in it so that when the barrel is turned one way, they pull against each other and when you turn the other way, they spread apart.  It is the end fittings that determine the overall application.

The end affixed to the deck is the end that should be threaded normal to where you can hold it vertically in your fist and turn the barrel clockwise to tighten it.  

The swage end should be reverse threaded and go into the top of the barrel.  

When dealing with the individual pieces the reverse threaded end just feels wrong, but once you have the three pieces together, it all kind of makes sense.

As for the R stamp, probably means reverse threaded because they probably make a swage to swage turnbuckle and have to have swages that are reverse threaded and ones that aren’t.  But every manufacture is different and not all of them mark the threading of the ends.

Hope that helps.

James


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of stan
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 9:21 PM
To: Dana LeTendre <dlet3 at aol.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head sail repair and broken stay


Mike got my response, I was just responding to his mail which he sent to me via the List.  He is sending his followup emails to general boat now directly to stan at generalboats.com.

However, with Dana and I having the attention of so many brains, we have a rigging hangup.  Dana, who sails in Belize, where rigging shops are scarce, wanted clockwise tightening on two shrouds we are sending him. We were down to our last one so ordered a batch from our supplier.  But while they arrived marked R, in each of the misc. bodies we had in our
50 year collection, the thread swage-on-fittings they sent, while marked R, tightened counter clockwise. (No problem with the fork ends that swaged to the top end of the 1/8" shroud wire.) So:

1.    Looking down on the top of a turnbuckle /barrel/ wouldn't the R designation of the /threaded studs/ swaged at the bottom end of a stay, indicate clockwise barrel rotation?

2.    Does the /barrel/ itself also have to be ordered as one designed for the tightening direction wanted?  We turned the /barrel/ upside down and the R /threaded stud/ would not thread into the other end of the /barrel/, in /either/ direction, in any of the /barrels/ (turnbuckle
bodies) in our collection.

3.    And finally all of your boats use a threaded toggle jaw at the chain plate end of each stay's turnbuckle.  I assume these also have to be ordered to match the clockwise or counter direction wanted from the assembly?

No question about all this for 60 years; the rigging came to us as complete assemblies.  Now in the parts business, we have to learn about the parts that make up the turnbuckles.   Dana would like to just order stays with threaded ends so he can use them with his existing turnbuckles on his 81.  We are inventoried to do this but now are concerned as to whether they will work with his current turnbuckles.

If no easy way out than Dana finding out the hard way, we will call Hayn, our supplier late tomorrow.  My lazy way out is just to buy the barrel and threaded toggle that go with the swaged studs we already purchased from them.

Just wanted to give you all a break from floating trailers, which I like since you can retrieve from shorter ramps.

stan


On 3/1/20 11:36 AM, Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> Stan,
>
>       I think you sent the message below to me by mistake, instead of sending it to Mike (I don’t recall his last name).  He’s the one who also needs repair to his headsail.  He also wanted a new turnbuckle to go with his stay.  I just need to get two stays with the CLOCKWISE TIGHTEN threaded stem, no turnbuckles.  Have you received the replacement parts yet?
>
> Later,
>
> Dana
>
>