[Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle

[Tom Van Heule]

I have that same 5way Jesse.

Nice work, thanks for the update and pics.
Look forward to seeing you in MKE next year?!

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 3:54 PM Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Regardless of your disposition, there's one victory we can all celebrate
> today: my struggle against the adhesive (presumably 5200) securing the
> tabernacle has been overcome without any damage.  I applied plenty
> of Marine Formula DeBond, waited patiently and then made iterative use of a
> combination of knives, a wood wedge, and gentle taps with a rubber mallet.
> I would scrape out adhesive around the edges, spray more DeBond, go do
> something else for a few minutes (I've got several other boat projects
> underway), tap the wedges/knives in a bit further and repeat the process.
> After about 45 minutes, I heard a gentle pop as the adhesive released.
> This was followed by another popping sound as I opened a frosty beverage to
> celebrate.  I still have to remove the thin layer of remaining adhesive
> residue but at least the tabernacle is free from the cabin top.  I really
> appreciate all the helpful advice.  Thanks!
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 5:32 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your
> > experiences removing "the devil's glue."  It really helps to have the
> > collective knowledge and research of the group!
> >
> > I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife.  I
> > also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very
> *gentle
> > taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work.  The
> > DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project.
> Until
> > then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at
> > work.
> >
> > I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully
> not
> > gripping) conclusion.
> >
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached
> >> hatch
> >> on forward deck
> >> STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet  or cutting as this can damage the
> >> deck.
> >> DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer
> >> Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and
> wait
> >> a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience
> >> essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It
> will
> >> work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a
> >> sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat
> >> Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner <
> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion
> >> which
> >> > is nearly impossible to break.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe Debond would work on barnacles!
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >> > Graham Stewart
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM
> >> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle
> >> >
> >> > Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to
> >> > break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only
> >> person
> >> > to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200
> and
> >> > similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested
> in
> >> a
> >> > sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and
> >> if
> >> > there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the
> >> > future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong
> >> > adhesive but is easier to remove.
> >> >
> >> > Graham Stewart
> >> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> >> > Kingston Ontario
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >> > Of Mark Whipple
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM
> >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle
> >> >
> >> > I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can
> >> > slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating
> it
> >> > would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how
> >> it
> >> > goes.
> >> >
> >> > About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck
> joint.
> >> > That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble.
> >> >
> >> > Good luck,
> >> >
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >> > Boston, MA
> >> >
> >> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> >> > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> >> > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a
> >> > > sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat
> >> > > before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond
> >> > > but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast
> >> > aluminum.
> >> > >
> >> > > Graham Stewart
> >> > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> >> > > Kingston Ontario
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >> > > Behalf Of Ric Stott
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM
> >> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle
> >> > >
> >> > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!!
> >> > > Ric
> >> > > Dadventure
> >> > >
> >> > > Sent from my iPhone
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> >> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hey Jesse,
> >> > > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about
> >> > > > impossible
> >> > > to
> >> > > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90
> >> > > > degrees
> >> > > to
> >> > > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At
> >> > > > some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it
> off.
> >> > > > You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have
> >> > > > come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the
> >> > > > butchery method. Good luck.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Chris Geankoplis
> >> > > > Enosis.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker <
> >> > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to
> >> > > >> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288).  The
> three
> >> > > >> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very
> >> > > >> strongly with an adhesive.  I don't know what adhesive was used.
> >> > > >> The adhesive is colored white.  I tried heating up the plate
> with a
> >> > > >> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been
> unable
> >> > to break the seal.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the
> >> > > >> tabernacle from the cabin top.  Thanks in advance for any advice!
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> > > >> S/V Zephyr
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
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