[Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa

[Mary Lou Troy]

Now that's the difference in where you sail. We sailed a lot in very 
light air on the Chesapeake, air that would not keep the 175 full. We 
really like the UPS for that and for when we we dealing with light air 
and a lot of powerboat chop. Much of our sailing was done in less than 
10 knots.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246

On 11/25/2020 1:51 PM, Rick Lange wrote:
> I have a UPS and hardly ever use it.  For convenience and power, the 175
> genny beats it cold on every tack except running fully downwind.  In that
> case, if it is at least a 30 minute run in less than 10 knots of wind, I
> hoist the UPS and set it wing-on-wing with the genny.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:16 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>>   I bought my first Rhodes from Stan in 1981. A few years later I bought a
>> cruising spinnaker from Hild Sails in City Island, NY. I have attached a
>> photo. They were eventually purchased by Doyle. I seem to remember using
>> this sail with and without a whisker pole. I think I may have attached the
>> tack to the bow cleat with a length of line. Too bad I don't still have
>> that sail.
>>
>> Don Simons,
>> Ithaca, NY     On Tuesday, November 24, 2020, 03:42:50 PM EST, Olivier
>> Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Mary Lou’s old sail is still fun!
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That’s looks like an interesting set up. Visibility looks a little iffy.
>>> I’d probably end up t-boning someone.😊
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was
>>> probably faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on
>>> wing but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The
>>> photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the
>>> one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference.
>> We
>>> used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit of
>>> track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but we
>>> never did it.
>>>> As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the
>>> mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets.
>>>> I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down
>>> but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an
>> issue
>>> was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and didn't
>>> really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous for me
>> to
>>> go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it with the
>> main.
>>> Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle because it was
>> so
>>> lightweight.
>>>> I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group
>>> talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought
>>> one.
>>>> Mary Lou
>>>> ex Rhodes 22
>>>> now Rosborough RF-246
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote:
>>>>> Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is
>>> to
>>>>> mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you
>>> found
>>>>> it helpful?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, for those that have  the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a
>> dual
>>>>> headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going
>>>>> downwind?  It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have
>>> to
>>>>> worry about an accidental jibe.  I suppose it may be helpful/necessary
>>> to
>>>>> have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesse Shumaker
>>>>> S/V Zephyr
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker <
>>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS
>> sail.
>>>>>> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye
>>>>>> placement behind the forestay?  I'm adding a plate as a base for a
>> bow
>>>>>> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm
>>> working
>>>>>> on this project.  All of this will be through bolted to a backing
>>> plate on
>>>>>> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately
>>>>>> supported.  I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be
>>> nice to
>>>>>> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that
>> you
>>>>>> added for your UPS sail?  I saw your setup where you added a pad eye
>> to
>>>>>> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jesse Shumaker
>>>>>> S/V Zephyr
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from
>>>>>>> when we were initially talking about the sail.
>>>>>>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle
>> actually
>>>>>>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A
>>> search
>>>>>>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more
>>> of
>>>>>>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker
>>> and
>>>>>>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the
>>>>>>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye
>> on
>>>>>>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach
>>> to.
>>>>>>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The
>>> attached
>>>>>>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day
>>> when
>>>>>>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern
>>>>>>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with
>>> the
>>>>>>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and
>> took
>>>>>>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>>>> ex Rhodes 22
>>>>>>> now Rosborough RF-246
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote:
>>>>>>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is
>>>>>>> generally
>>>>>>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol  Anyone have an
>> archive
>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>>> to appease my curiosity in the details?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more
>>> than
>>>>>>> 15
>>>>>>>> minutes!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we
>>> are
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> this community.  We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart
>> people,
>>> and
>>>>>>>> it's just... swell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Smooth sailing,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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