[Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

Sat Jan 22 11:06:49 EST 2022

Bob,

Boy that’s a challenging slip!  I hope the marina gave you a discount for the royal PITA factor.  If there is much of a cross wind, it must be a real bear, especially stern to.  If I encountered something like this while cruising (i.e. no practice!), I think I would drop someone on the end of the pier with the dock lines and use the lines to warp the boat in.

I’ve never attempted this; but, in principle, there is no reason why you can’t apply reverse thrust with the motor tiller hard over to port for a little longer to make the boat turn 180 deg in it’s own length.  I think I would start the turn when my bow was even with the finger pier on the starboard side as per your diagram.  But, instead of a 90 deg turn to port, I would turn 180 deg to port.  I would pick up the dock line off the piling as I was backing into the slip.  Instead of having to make a critical 90 deg turn in reverse, you would only need to make minor course corrections as you back into the slip.  Your major maneuver is done to port and away from the docks, thus giving you maximum space and time to react if something goes wrong.  Never the less, I would have some helpers standing by on the docks to catch you while I practiced this maneuver a few times!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 6:24 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Outboard Interconnect question

Hi Roger,
Thanks for the guidance on this.
The challenge that I have is this.
I leave my boat stern-in in the slip.
To do this, I usually head directly at the slip, then 90° to port, stop
just past my slip, and reverse 90° to starboard and back into the slip.

My primary objective is to make a tight 90° turn to port and have my
starboard quarter snug up to the piling. I grab a dock line from that
piling and then reverse and pivot into slip, stern in.

See the attached image for a better illustration (perhaps). Basically, I’m
looking to make as tight a 90° as possible.

Bob

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Bob & Jeff,
>
> The fastest way to make your Rhodes 22 turn a corner under power does not
> involve the tiller-outboard connecting linkage.
>
> Assume you want to make a hard turn to port in the minimum possible area.
> You setup by motoring along  slowly, say 2-3 knots, just enough speed to
> maintain rudder steering control.  Put the desired slip about 1 boat length
> away to port.  Assume you are going for a port side docking against a
> finger pier.  Shift the motor into neutral and turn the motor’s tiller all
> the way the port.  When your bow is even with the end of the finger pier,
> do the following in quick succession.  Shift into reverse, apply full
> throttle, and put the boat tiller hard over.  Hang on to something!  The
> boat will yaw 90 deg to port in about 1 sec!  It will simultaneously slow
> down, side slip about 1/3 boat length to starboard, and drift forward about
> ¾ boat length.  At about 45 deg of yaw, throttle the motor back to idle and
> then shift into neutral.  Straighten out the outboard tiller and the boat
> tiller.  The boat’s rotational inertia will complete the 90 deg of yaw.
> Note, the hull and shoal draft keel produce a lot of drag vs. yawing.  The
> boat will use up it’s rotational inertia very quickly.  With a little bit
> of practice, you will end up virtually stopped at the entrance to the slip,
> with your bow pointed into the slip, and about 12 inches of clearance
> between your port side rub rail and the pier.  Now shift into forward and
> idle into your slip.   For a starboard quick turn, simply turn the motor
> tiller to starboard before shifting into reverse.
>
> This technique is also very useful to force the bow to yaw into strong
> cross wind &/or cross current.  It’s also very useful for a stern to
> docking.
>
> It’s best to practice this maneuver in open water a few time before
> attempting it in a crowded marina.  You will be impressed with how much
> faster the boat will yaw when the motor is simultaneously applying sideways
> and reverse thrust to the transom.  Obviously, the tiller-outboard
> connecting linkage cannot be connected to execute this maneuver.
>
> Try this technique, it will make you look like a docking genius!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
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> That’s what I’m looking for. My slip is in a corner so i only have 90° To
> maneuver in rather than 180°. So every little bit helps.
> I appreciate all the guidance from those way more experienced than I am
> with this vessel.
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:10 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I use the connection to my Yamaha 8 only when approching the mooring or
> > dock.  It enables me to make a tighter more controlled turn.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jeff Smith
> >
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