[Rhodes22-list] Toad's WHOLE story as if anybody cares

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gosh, I guess we will have to hire Rummy to uncover the facts.

1.  We responded to the request for quotes as soon as we got back in
town - I think we were at a show. We have a copy of the e-mail we sent
in case it was never received.

2.  I did not tell anyone to shut up - it is not in my dictionary.

3.  And for the rest of the story, left off the quotes, I am the only
builder I ever heard of who tells everyone, including those who have
never given us a cent for their boats, if they have any questions, they
can call me in the evenings at home. We just can't jump hoops during the
day at the plant at the expense of productivity, particularly when it
represents no income to meet that week's pressing payroll.

As covered, we have managed to keep this ship afloat for 43 years while
the big boys like O'Day and on and on have all abandoned ship - if
anyone has something we have missed in all those learning years, we are
always open to your suggestions. (Usually it turns out that we tried
that and it did not work.)

Of course, anyone not pleased with the way GBI is run, can always buy
the company:  $5,000,000, but good terms.

stan/gbi

Toad the Wet Sprocket wrote:

>
>
>
>
>      If judging by the subject line....this doesn't interest you
> ...then by all means hit the delete button now.   But this is just to
> set the entire record straight.  All of this talk about the alleged
> "free advice" and "free service" was originally one 30 second phone
> call and one e-mail and a couple of follow up e-mails for
> clarification.  The first follows:
>
>
> Stan, <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>
> We spoke briefly on the telephone.  You said to e-mail you to ask
> questions and/or to order parts.
>
> Do you have or sell a parts catalog?
>
> I have a 1974 22 with no forward windows or deck hatches.  Assuming I
> have the skill necessary to install them, will they fit and will they
> require any beefing up of the foredeck or  cabin roof?
>
> Can I possibly see a picture of the traveler system being used on
> current production boats?
>
> Can I get prices on the following parts:
>
> 1.  Rudder head (my rudder blade is ok but everything above it needs
> replacement)
>
> 2.  Side port windows
>
> 3.  Front windows
>
> 4. Tiller handle
>
> 5. Mast raising crane/equipment
>
> ThankYou
>
> Todd
>
>      Now what part of that constitutes "free advice and service?"    I
> didn't think I would have to wait so long to ever get a response,
> which needed two more e-mails for elaboration.   I didn't ask Stan
> Sptizer any "how do I" or "how is this supposed to be" questions.  I
> asked them here on the list.  I was trying to see about buying some
> parts.
>
>
>
>
>
>      I asked why was everything so secret (talking about why we
> couldn't get any literature posted on line,  especially after someone
> already had and GB supposedly didn't have any)     So when a few
> people jumped on me, they did not really know what they were talking
> about.   I said I got "little help from the mfg of a boat I own" and
> "Why is everything such a big secret and no one can talk about it?
>
> But this is what was said to me about it, in addition to a private
> e-mail saying "buy a new R22 if you want documents and shut the hell
> up."    Of course I got a little tweaked.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "when you get answers you don't like, you pout. GET OVER IT. If you
> want help, play nice or take your boat and go elsewhere. "
>
> ........"Over the years the list members have had to deal with all
> kinds of people and personalities. I would have to say that for the
> most part, those with bad attitudes leave in short order. It's nothing
> personal, we just don't have to put up with it and don't. This list is
> here because we have more control over what happens on the list. Not
> just one computer cop, but the whole list."......
>
> ......."Well todd free is not alway cheap :-)".......
>
> Stan wrote
>
> "Toad says that, "The only reason I have this boat is because it was a
> freebie,,," and that has conditioned him to expect not only free
> service but instant free service, even if it should cause poorer
> service to those who have paid for their boats."
>
> and
>
> "To this I must add that those who have bought a Rhodes from someone
> else and given their money to that other party, in all innocence, find
> it hard to understand our reluctance to stop what we are doing to
> survive and respond to their call saying, 'you will be happy to hear
> that I have just bought a Rhodes from so and so and now I need you to
> give me your time to answer my questions'".
>
> So as Paul Harvey  would say  "Now you know the rest of the story."
>
>  But...................I didn't ask any questions......so I shouldn't
> have to be the one apologizing for anything, but the other way
> around....
>
> the defense rests....no further questionsdon't bother responding to
> sprocket80@hotmail.com
>
>
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gosh, I guess we will have to hire Rummy to uncover the facts.
1.&nbsp; We responded to the request for quotes as soon as we got back
in town - I think we were at a show. We have a copy of the e-mail we sent
in case it was never received.
 &nbsp;
2.&nbsp; I did not tell anyone to shut up - it is not in my dictionary.
 &nbsp;
3.&nbsp; And for the rest of the story, left off the quotes, I am the
only builder I ever heard of who tells everyone, including those who have
never given us a cent for their boats, if they have any questions, they
can call me in the evenings at home. We just can't jump hoops during the
day at the plant at the expense of productivity, particularly when it represents
no income to meet that week's pressing payroll.
As covered, we have managed to keep this ship afloat for 43 years while
the big boys like O'Day and on and on have all abandoned ship - if anyone
has something we have missed in all those learning years, we are always
open to your suggestions. (Usually it turns out that we tried that and
it did not work.)
Of course, anyone not pleased with the way GBI is run, can always buy
the company:&nbsp; $5,000,000, but good terms.&nbsp;
stan/gbi
Toad the Wet Sprocket wrote:
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If judging by the subject line....this doesn't interest you ...then by
all means hit the delete button now.&nbsp;&nbsp; But this is just to set
the entire record straight.&nbsp; All of this talk about the alleged "free
advice" and "free service" was originally one 30 second phone call and
one e-mail and a couple of follow up e-mails for clarification.&nbsp; The
first follows:</div>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Stan,
&lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "<A HREF="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office">urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office</A>"
/><o:p></o:p></span>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">We
spoke briefly on the telephone.&nbsp; You said to e-mail you to ask questions
and/or to order parts.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Do
you have or sell a parts catalog?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I
have a 1974 22 with no forward windows or deck hatches.&nbsp; Assuming
I have the skill necessary to install them, will they fit and will they
require any beefing up of the foredeck or&nbsp; cabin roof?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Can
I possibly see a picture of the traveler system being used on current production
boats?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Can
I get prices on the following parts:&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">1.&nbsp;
Rudder head (my rudder blade is ok but everything above it needs replacement)&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">2.&nbsp;
Side port windows&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">3.&nbsp;
Front windows&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">4.
Tiller handle&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

5.
Mast raising crane/equipment&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">ThankYou&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Todd&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Now what part of that constitutes "free advice and service?"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
I didn't think I would have to wait so long to ever get a response,&nbsp;
which needed two more e-mails for elaboration.&nbsp;&nbsp; I didn't ask
Stan Sptizer any "how do I" or "how is this supposed to be" questions.&nbsp;
I asked them here on the list.&nbsp; I was trying to see about buying some
parts.
 &nbsp;
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<br>&nbsp;
<div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></div>&nbsp;

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
I asked why was everything so secret (talking about why we couldn't get
any literature posted on line,&nbsp; especially after someone already had
and GB supposedly didn't have any)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So when a few
people jumped on me, they did not really know what they were talking about.&nbsp;&nbsp;
I said I got "little help from the mfg of a boat I own" and "<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Why
is everything such a big secret and no one can talk about it?&nbsp;</span>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But
this is what was said to me about it, in addition to a private e-mail saying
"buy a new R22 if you want documents and shut the hell up."&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Of course I got a little tweaked.</span>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<hr></span>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span>

"when
you get answers you don't like, you pout. GET OVER IT. If you want help,
play nice or take your boat and go elsewhere. "

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span>

........"Over
the years the list members have had to deal with all kinds of people and
personalities. I would have to say that for the most part, those with bad
attitudes leave in short order. It's nothing personal, we just don't have
to put up with it and don't. This list is here because we have more control
over what happens on the list. Not just one computer cop, but the whole
list."......<o:p></o:p>
......."Well
todd free is not alway cheap :-)".......&nbsp;
Stan
wrote
"Toad
says that, "The only reason I have this boat is because it was a freebie,,,"
and that has conditioned him to expect not only free service but instant
free service, even if it should cause poorer service to those who have
paid for their boats."&nbsp;
and
"To this I must add that those who have bought a Rhodes from someone
else and given their money to that other party, in all innocence, find
it hard to understand our reluctance to stop what we are doing to survive
and respond to their call saying, 'you will be happy to hear that I have
just bought a Rhodes from so and so and now I need you to give me your
time to answer my questions'".
So as Paul Harvey&nbsp; would say&nbsp; "Now you know the rest of the
story."
&nbsp;But...................I didn't ask any questions......so I shouldn't&nbsp;
have to be the one apologizing for anything, but the other way around....
the defense rests....no further questionsdon't bother responding to&nbsp;
<a href="mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">sprocket80@hotmail.com</a>&nbsp;</div>

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