[Rhodes22-list] need some help

Michael Meltzer rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:34:13 -0400


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Re: [Rhodes22-list] need some helpSteve I think this ones answer your =
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This week batch is not posted yet, the town takes any issue as a full =
contact sport.
MJM


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Steve Alm=20
  To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] need some help


  Rummy, Michael,

  Barbara Woodhouse would agree with you that there are "No Bad Dogs", =
the very title of one of her books on dog training.  Although I MIGHT =
agree with that, the simple fact remains that there are dogs that do =
indeed attack.  Example: the story of the dogs in San Francisco that =
killed a woman and the dog owners were charged with murder!  They had it =
coming.  Dogs get aggressive when they think they're defending food, =
territory, their young or their masters.  In these off-leash areas, the =
dogs can easily get confused about what they think they need to defend.  =


  When people come to my house, they ask if my dog bites.  My stock =
answer is, "Sure, ALL dogs bite.  It's just a question of why and when." =
 There are also a great many people that are simply afraid of dogs and =
of course the dogs sense this, which exacerbates the problem.  Often, a =
dog will charge a stranger just to check him/her out.  Understandably, =
the bystander gets nervous and BAMMO, there's an incident.   We have no =
control over the "bad owners" who can't control their dogs and hence, =
the regulations to protect the innocent.   I remember the days when dogs =
were allowed to roam the neighborhood at their whim and often got run =
over by cars or shot by a protective homeowner.  That isn't a good way =
to go either. =20

  My solution is to have a fenced in yard where Major can run full tilt =
around the house and yard and I also take him hunting when I can so he =
can do what he's born to do.  That's the key.  If you can allow him to =
do what comes naturally, he'll respond with a great appreciation and =
learn the difference between his domestic roll and his natural calling.  =
Major has never bit anyone...yet, and he's ten years old.  He's a Lab, =
which is a breed least likely to bite, but I've also had Shepherds, who =
are extremely people-aggressive.  Letting a Shepherd, Doberman, =
Rotwhiler, Pit Bull, Boxer, etc. off the leash is asking for problems.  =
We may have nice, mellow dogs-and Roony looks like a sweetheart, but not =
every one has a dog like this.

  Todd asked the question, "What would motivate the Westport RTM to =
legislate your wholesome family activities into criminality?"  Good =
question and I think I know the answer:  too many people complaining.  I =
can't blame them.

  Slim and Major

  On 9/11/02 7:38 AM, "R22RumRunner@aol.com" <R22RumRunner@aol.com> =
wrote:


    Michael,
    Dog owners usually fit into one of two categories; responsible and =
not responsible.
    I think people, whether they own pets or not, should be able to go =
outside, on public land without having fear of being attacked by an =
unleashed/unsupervised animal. I also like to have areas where I can let =
my dog just run, but they are becoming harder to find. The good of the =
many outweighs the needs of a few. (Who said that anyway?)
    Dog attacks are a real problem everywhere. There are no bad dogs, =
just bad owners.
    Sounds like a reasonable solution has been reached.

    Rummy=20




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This week batch is not posted yet, the =
town takes=20
any issue as a full contact sport.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dsalm@mn.rr.com href=3D"mailto:salm@mn.rr.com">Steve Alm</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
 </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 12, =
2002 4:40=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
need some=20
  help</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Rummy, Michael,<BR><BR>Barbara =
Woodhouse=20
  would agree with you that there are =93No Bad Dogs=94, the very title =
of one of=20
  her books on dog training. &nbsp;Although I MIGHT agree with that, the =
simple=20
  fact remains that there are dogs that do indeed attack. &nbsp;Example: =
the=20
  story of the dogs in San Francisco that killed a woman and the dog =
owners were=20
  charged with murder! &nbsp;They had it coming. &nbsp;Dogs get =
aggressive when=20
  they think they=92re defending food, territory, their young or their =
masters.=20
  &nbsp;In these off-leash areas, the dogs can easily get confused about =
what=20
  they think they need to defend. &nbsp;<BR><BR>When people come to my =
house,=20
  they ask if my dog bites. &nbsp;My stock answer is, =93Sure, ALL dogs =
bite.=20
  &nbsp;It=92s just a question of why and when.=94 &nbsp;There are also =
a great many=20
  people that are simply afraid of dogs and of course the dogs sense =
this, which=20
  exacerbates the problem. &nbsp;Often, a dog will charge a stranger =
just to=20
  check him/her out. &nbsp;Understandably, the bystander gets nervous =
and BAMMO,=20
  there=92s an incident. &nbsp;&nbsp;We have no control over the =93bad =
owners=94 who=20
  can=92t control their dogs and hence, the regulations to protect the =
innocent.=20
  &nbsp;&nbsp;I remember the days when dogs were allowed to roam the=20
  neighborhood at their whim and often got run over by cars or shot by a =

  protective homeowner. &nbsp;That isn=92t a good way to go either.=20
  &nbsp;<BR><BR>My solution is to have a fenced in yard where Major can =
run full=20
  tilt around the house and yard and I also take him hunting when I can =
so he=20
  can do what he=92s born to do. &nbsp;That=92s the key. &nbsp;If you =
can allow him=20
  to do what comes naturally, he=92ll respond with a great appreciation =
and learn=20
  the difference between his domestic roll and his natural calling. =
&nbsp;Major=20
  has never bit anyone...yet, and he=92s ten years old. &nbsp;He=92s a =
Lab, which is=20
  a breed least likely to bite, but I=92ve also had Shepherds, who are =
extremely=20
  people-aggressive. &nbsp;Letting a Shepherd, Doberman, Rotwhiler, Pit =
Bull,=20
  Boxer, etc. off the leash is asking for problems. &nbsp;We may have =
nice,=20
  mellow dogs=97and Roony looks like a sweetheart, but not every one has =
a dog=20
  like this.<BR><BR>Todd asked the question, =93What would motivate the =
Westport=20
  RTM to legislate your wholesome family activities into criminality?=94 =

  &nbsp;Good question and I think I know the answer: &nbsp;too many =
people=20
  complaining. &nbsp;I can=92t blame them.<BR><BR>Slim and =
Major<BR><BR>On 9/11/02=20
  7:38 AM, "R22RumRunner@aol.com" &lt;R22RumRunner@aol.com&gt;=20
  wrote:<BR><BR></FONT>
  <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>Michael,<BR>Dog owners =
usually fit=20
    into one of two categories; responsible and not responsible.<BR>I =
think=20
    people, whether they own pets or not, should be able to go outside, =
on=20
    public land without having fear of being attacked by an=20
    unleashed/unsupervised animal. I also like to have areas where I can =
let my=20
    dog just run, but they are becoming harder to find. The good of the =
many=20
    outweighs the needs of a few. (Who said that anyway?)<BR>Dog attacks =
are a=20
    real problem everywhere. There are no bad dogs, just bad =
owners.<BR>Sounds=20
    like a reasonable solution has been =
reached.<BR><BR>Rummy</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
    face=3DVerdana> <BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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