[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
Roger Pihlaja
cen09402@centurytel.net
Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:34:04 -0400
Bill,
Suppose you made the Admiral a promise to play tennis with her in every
country (port-of-call?) you visited?
My wife, Deb, has sailed aboard the cat & likes it a whole bunch more than
our R-22 for pretty much the same reasons I proposed to you. However, she
has also sailed enough to understand about long passages at sea out of sight
of land & storms at sea. Those things scare her more than the heeling & I
don't know how to take them away. Deb knows herself well enough to know
that a cruising lifestyle simply isn't for her. Deb has taken sailing
classes & actually sails Dynamic Equilibrium reasonably well. But, she will
never be a serious cruiser, at least not on any size boat I am ever likely
to be able to afford.
Since our R-22 serves perfectly well for the sort of cruising my sons & I
enjoy doing, we hang onto it. The boat has long since been paid for & the
annual expense of owning & sailing it are pretty minimal. It's difficult to
justify the expense & hassles of owning a bigger boat when my wife & I both
know she is not a cruiser.
Only you & the Admiral can decide if the cruising lifestyle is right for
your family, even if a cruising cat took away her fear of heeling. Anyway
you look at this issue, it's a lot of money & a big life changing decision.
I only suggest possibilities...
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Berner" <dblbld@attglobal.net>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
> Very interesting take.
>
> If you could fit a tennis court on the cat, you might be on to
> something.
>
> Kidding aside, your input and advice is always very much appreciated
>
> Thanks.
>
> BB
>
> Bill Berner
> 191 South Broadway
> Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
>
> v 914 478 2896
> f 914 478 3856
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:07 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
>
> Bill,
>
> OK, I grant you that multihulls do tend to be more expensive than
> monohulls.
> But, good multihulls have been around long enough that you might be able
> to
> find a used one just a bit older than you were considering in a monohull
> for
> about the same money.
>
> What if:
>
> The civility & level sailing of a cruising cat allowed the Admiral to
> appreciate the other aspects of cruising under sail so much that she
> became
> far more interested in sailing - say to the point of wanting to be a
> world
> cruiser or even a circumnavigator when you retire? Isn't it really a
> question of priorities? If you both wanted to go cruising, then
> couldn't
> you do it?
>
> You were saying something about chartering a sailboat in the Chesapeake
> Bay
> next summer. Another way to go at this might be to try to charter a
> multihull the next time. Even if it was a little more expensive to
> charter
> than a monohull, it would allow both of you to experience what these
> boats
> are really like.
>
> Just something to think about. I'll butt out & mind my own business
> now.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Berner" <dblbld@attglobal.net>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
>
>
> > Roger -
> >
> > A cruising cat would certainly fix the problem of heeling with the
> > Admiral, and I'd love the speed as well.
> >
> > However, it would create a new much more significant problem. If I
> > spent the kind of money that I think would be req'd, it wouldn't
> matter
> > how little the boat heeled because I would be single.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > BB
> >
> > Bill Berner
> > 191 South Broadway
> > Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
> >
> > v 914 478 2896
> > f 914 478 3856
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:35 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > I really enjoyed your story. The trouble with using someone else's
> boat
> > whether you are chartering or just borrowing, it that if something
> > doesn't
> > work properly, it can take forever to figure out what's wrong. Then,
> > just
> > like in your story, if you can't get repair parts in some remote area,
> > you
> > are just stuck. Did the charter owner ever get back on you re the
> fire
> > damage?
> >
> > I know what you mean re the royal PITA of having to shift stuff around
> > in
> > the R-22's cabin every time you want to get into a locker or make up
> the
> > bunk. All the frogging around probably adds 30 - 45 minutes to the
> > routine
> > at the beginning & end of every day. When my wife is on board, we all
> > just
> > put up with it. However, when I wilderness cruise with my sons, we
> have
> > pretty much stopped overnighting at marinas or at anchor. As much as
> > possible, we use our Rhodes 22 to get to some remote spot & then beach
> > camp.
> > We will still stay on the boat if there is no good place to camp
> ashore
> > & we
> > use the boat as a varmint-proof place to store our food & carry
> potable
> > water. But, we all enjoy backpacking & there is so much more room
> > ashore.
> >
> > If the "Admiral" is frightened of heeling, then you might consider a
> > cruising catamaran instead of a bigger monohull. The last couple of
> > years,
> > I've been sailing quite a bit on a friend's 42' long custom catamaran
> > out on
> > Lake Huron. You might recall this was the boat that I helped
> initially
> > inspect at the Edison Yacht Club on the Detroit River. Over the next
> > year,
> > I helped him repair & then launch the boat. The last two seasons, the
> > boat
> > has been at Jerry's Marina on Tawas Bay. Next year, my friend has
> > leased a
> > slip as well as a winter storage deal over at Pentwater on Lake
> > Michigan.
> > Sometime in the next couple of weeks, I'll probably help him sail it
> > about
> > 300 nm around the "Tip Of The Mitt" to its new home, a 3-4 day trip.
> > One of
> > the things that impresses me every time we go out on the catamaran is
> > the
> > effortless manner in which it can achieve 8-10 knots. The thing just
> > sails
> > along, nearly level, no muss, no fuss. You look at the knotmeter, see
> > 10
> > knots, & think, "No way!" Then you look behind at the twin
> roostertails
> > coming off the hulls, & think, "Wow!" The long narrow hulls slice
> thru
> > waves much better than a similar sized monohull & you get much less of
> > the
> > pitching & rolling we are all so familiar with. When running with a
> > following or stern quartering sea, the boat is moving at or sometimes
> > even
> > faster than the waves. So, you don't get as much of that odd
> > "corkscrewing"
> > motion that causes so many people to get seasick. It tacks thru 90
> deg
> > &
> > goes to weather as well as any similar sized cruising boat. But, you
> do
> > need good tacking technique, especially in light air or the boat can
> end
> > up
> > in irons. Of course, once the point of sail moves more downwind than
> a
> > beam
> > reach, the boat just screams! Gibing downwind is really fun. With
> the
> > daggerboards raised, the draft is only about 3'. The draft is about
> 8'
> > with
> > the boards down. I don't know how well it would do against a lobster
> > pot.
> > There are no apertures or shafts to snag a line on. The outboards &
> > daggerboards can be raised. Snagging one of the twin rudder blades
> > might be
> > a problem. With twin 10 hp outboard engines, set well apart in the
> > hulls,
> > the boat can be spun around in nearly her own length. But, with a 23'
> > beam,
> > I will admit that docking is a little intimidating - sort of like
> > parking
> > your deck. In most marinas on the Great Lakes, the only place you can
> > get a
> > "slip" is on the end of the pier or up against a wharf. We anchor out
> a
> > lot
> > more with the catamaran than you would with a similar sized monohull.
> > The
> > other nice thing about the lack of heeling, pitching, & rolling is the
> > sort
> > of galley & dining room table that becomes possible. The stove & oven
> > don't
> > need any sort of gimbals & cooking underway is much safer. The entire
> > bridgedeck between the hulls has the galley & table. It's open & airy
> > with
> > large fixed & opening ports. It becomes the focus of life aboard
> during
> > the
> > day. Privacy is also much better than in a monohull. You & the
> Admiral
> > could have your cabin in one hull & your children could be in the
> other
> > hull. It's all extremely civilized. You & the Admiral should check
> out
> > a
> > cruising cat at a boat show. Try to get a test sail. I'll bet the
> > Admiral
> > will be hooked.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Berner" <dblbld@attglobal.net>
> > To: "'Ed Kroposki'" <kroposki@innova.net>; "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
> > <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:52 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
> >
> >
> > > Every time we cruise as a family (Me, Admiral, 14 yr. old girl, 11
> yr.
> > > old boy), which we are doing more and more of, we finish the cruise
> > > feeling that we need something larger.
> > >
> > > I love the boat, but even when I was alone on it for the 2 days and
> > > nights, I got tired of making up the setee into a bed each night and
> > > converting it again in the morning. I would also really like to
> have
> > > standing headroom throughout the cabin.
> > >
> > > Looking in the 30-32' range. Probably the obvious choice (Catalina)
> > or
> > > perhaps O'Day. Possibly a Nonnsuch if I could find a great deal.
> > > Definitely want a early to mid 80's family cruiser rather than racer
> > > cruiser. The Admiral is white knuckled about heeling.
> > >
> > > Bill Berner
> > > 191 South Broadway
> > > Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
> > >
> > > v 914 478 2896
> > > f 914 478 3856
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ed Kroposki
> > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:42 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
> > >
> > > Bill:
> > > Why? 4 sale?
> > > Ed K
> > >
> > >
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