[ham] [Rhodes22-list] Stan, will the real paint stand up?

[Dan Bodnar]

Another opinion on bottom paint.....
I use VC17m on my boat- sailed on Lake Erie. It isn't really an ablative
paint, Interlux calls it a "thin film".  The finish copper does "wear" off
or slide off the Teflon base so you can see signs of wear.  I wish it didn't
work as well as it does, but now that Interlux has added the biocide, I'll
stick with it for the foreseeable future because you have to sand the bottom
down to the gel to use something different.  The reason I wanted to switch
is because it takes a 1/2 day to mask the boat in order to spray it
(airless), which is probably the best way to put it on. It is very volatile
and I easily loose a quart per gallon to evaporation when I've rolled it on.
(That is one of the reasons it is sold only in quarts).  I have 3 seasons
with only a touch up on the leading edge of the bow and keel.  The racers
around here and an Interlux rep. recommended using crumpled newspaper to
scuff up the old surface before relaunching in the spring. (A fair amount of
color gets transferred to the news paper.)  Although last year was a short
season for me, I experienced no zebra mussels and very little slime
accumulation on a 3 year old paint job.

Now having said all that, If the boat already has an ablative paint, I'd
stick with it. because you have to sand it off to put anything else on.
Interlux seems to have the most free literature available, as well as a good
help line staff .   http://www.yachtpaint.com/usa/

VC17m doesn't seem to do well in anything but fresh water.  A racer friend
of mine talked me into it and they swear by it around here.

Dan Bodnar
SV QOL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Alm" <salm@mn.rr.com>
To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] Stan, will the real paint stand up?


> The Zebra Mussels are here in the Mississippi and the Minnesota Rivers.
>
> And speaking of cancerous marine life, has anyone heard anything lately
> about the Chinese Snake Fish?  This critter not only infests its habitat,
it
> can wiggle its way across dry land, apparently quite a distance, and
infest
> neighboring waters as well.   Scary!
>
> But I digress--back to bottom paint.  Sorry to sound so stupid but,
> hey...too much information f**ks me up  :-)  The bottom paint that's on my
> boat now is sort of chalky and rubs off on your hand, or anything else,
wet
> or dry.  This is called "ablative", right?  Again, sorry to be stupid.
I'm
> up here in MN in fresh, cool water and whatever this is on my boat seems
to
> work pretty well keeping off the slime.  So I was thinking about just
giving
> 'er a light sand and laying on a couple coats of the same paint. No
primer,
> no fuss, no muss.  Just paint it.  Would it be so wrong?  But what exactly
> is the name (brand) of this kind of paint?  Can I just ask for Interlux
> ablative at WM or do I really have to do all those chemistry tests on the
> existing paint to determine exactly the shoe size of the original painter,
> etc.?  I'm OK with cutting some corners--I just want a
> pretty-decent-do-it-yourself job done the easy way.
>
> The PS pick is Interlux Micron Optima two-part ablative.  How many coats
per
> gallon?   Comments anyone?
>
>
> Slim
> S/V Fandango
>
> On 4/1/03 10:41 PM, "anima" <anima13@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Wally, a big problem here as well!
> > Anne
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey@hotmail.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] Stan, will the real paint stand up?
> >
> >
> >> Rummy,
> >>
> >> Those pesky Zebra Mussels are spreading beyond the Great Lakes.
Although
> > not
> >> a big problem yet on the TN River, they are starting to show up. We get
> >> quite a bit of boat traffic from people who cruise from the Great Lakes
> > and
> >> the mussels travel down with them.
> >>
> >> It would be nice if Zebra Mussels tasted good. It never seems to work
out
> >> that way though.
> >>
> >> Wally
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: "John Tonjes" <johntonjes@earthlink.net>
> >>> Reply-To: johntonjes@earthlink.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>> <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] Stan, will the real paint stand up?
> >>> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:44:24 -0500
> >>>
> >>> MJM,
> >>> It depends where the fresh water is located. Our lake, Lake Hartwell
in
> >>> South Carolina, is notorious for vigorous growth. It requires a very
> > strong
> >>> anti-fouling paint such as the Interlux Micron Extra with Biolux.
Zebra
> >>> Mussels are pretty much contained to the Great Lakes from what I
> >>> understand.
> >>> Most boats when pulled after spending only a few weeks in the water
> > without
> >>> any protection have acquired the notorious Hartwell stripe (aka:
slime).
> >>> It's not hard to clean when you first pull the boat, just don't let it
> > sit
> >>> around and dry on the hull. It's so bad, I'm contemplating putting
> >>> anti-fouling on the bottom of my run about.
> >>> When I pulled Rum Runner from the lake for the bottom work, there was
a
> >>> good 1/2 inch of growth on the bottom. I wonder if that was slowing me
> > down
> >>> any?
> >>>
> >>> Rummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> [Original Message]
> >>>> From: Michael Meltzer <mjm@michaelmeltzer.com>
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Date: 4/1/2003 4:33:02 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] Stan, will the real paint stand
up?
> >>>>
> >>>> freah water does not a problem with hard growth, just zebra musles,
> > the
> >>> grasses and slime are more of the a problem, most of the
> >>>> hight rated paints will work, the thought problem are salt/brackish
> >>> water. it is a hard paint, the "sr" version is a big plus in
> >>>> this case, alittle overkill for freash water.
> >>>>
> >>>> MJM
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Steve Alm" <salm@mn.rr.com>
> >>>> To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 4:13 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] Stan, will the real paint stand
up?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Is the Petit Trinidad an ablative?  Is there a different bottom
> > paint
> >>> for
> >>>>> salt/fresh water?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 4/1/03 11:57 AM, "Michael Meltzer" <mjm@michaelmeltzer.com>
> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Cut Stan a break, do you really think he keeps track of the bottom
> >>> paint on
> >>>>>> every boat.
> >>>>>> I am sure him like other just look at the paint on the boat for
> > the
> >>> answer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> the issues:
> >>>>>> Teflon can only go over Teflon, Stan does not use it unless
> > someone
> >>> sent him
> >>>>>> some.
> >>>>>> High copper hard epoxy, his favorite, if in good shape anything
> > can
> >>> go over.
> >>>>>> adbaitve, only abative can go over, it washs off(hint, wet a area,
> >>> good, then
> >>>>>> try a scrubber sponge, does it come off like a bar of
> >>>>>> soap).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is my second time trying to help, you never answered the
> >>> questions from
> >>>>>> last time how it being used..........
> >>>>>> BTW Awlgrip is know for thier top side paint, not thier bottom
> > pain.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> MJM
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Ken Wise" <skipperken@excite.com>
> >>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:34 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] Stan, will the real paint stand up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Stan, we need to reapply an anti-fouling paint to the bottom of
> >>> Awaken, but
> >>>>>>> want to know what paint you used to make certain what
> >>>>>> we choose is compatable. I used the faq site and got an answer of
> >>> Awlgrip. Gil
> >>>>>> said you used Petit Trinidad on his boat. Only you
> >>>>>> know what is on my boat, please clear this up. Ken
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ken Wise
> >>>>>>> Awaken
> >>>>>>> Trail Creek Marina
> >>>>>>> Michigan City, IN
> >>>>>>>
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