[Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????

Ronald Lipton rlipton at earthlink.net
Sun Mar 14 11:20:02 EST 2004 

Mary Lou,

   Thanks, sounds like something I want to do.  A picture probably
isn't necessary.

Ron
On Sunday, March 14, 2004, at 09:41 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:

> Ron,
> After several years of hemming and hawing about this we liked the 
> arrangement we saw at the 2002 Annapolis show enough to order the 
> "upgrade kit" from Stan. The kit (early 2003 version) came with the 
> cleat/starboard assembly for under the boom, a turning block for the 
> top of the boom to position the outhaul to enter the boom and a 
> plastic sleeve for the exit hole on the bottom of the boom. Fred did 
> the install, drilling the hole in the boom and attaching the 
> cleat/starboard assembly and the turning block assembly with stainless 
> self-tapping screws coated with the anti-corrosion stuff.  Everything 
> fit perfectly. We love it. It has made deploying and adjusting the 
> main a much simpler, faster process.
>
> Right now the mast and the boom are up in the rafters of the garage so 
> I'm not sure that any pic I could get would be very helpful but if you 
> want one later let me know.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
> At 09:11 AM 3/14/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>>   Did you upgrade from the cleated to the through-boom main outhaul?  
>> I
>> saw the newer design on the R22 at Strictly Sail in Chicago and
>> it looks like a much better arrangement. Did you make the 
>> modifications
>> yourself?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2004, at 08:04 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>
>>> Wally, we reduce sail well before 20 knots (actual or apparent) 
>>> windspeed. Our 175 seems to be the perfect sail from 4 to 10 knots. 
>>> I suspect we begin to furl it a little before 10 if it's gusty. I 
>>> don't think we've ever tried Bill's method of furling the main more 
>>> than the genny as we are always trying to get rid of lee helm. For 
>>> the record we don't like the 175 for much below 4 knots of wind - 
>>> the sailcloth is just too heavy to keep the sail full in any kind of 
>>> wave action - that's one of the reasons we went to the UPS for 
>>> really light air.
>>>
>>> My current thinking on an ideal set of sails for our boat and the 
>>> way we sail would be the UPS, a somewhat lighter big genoa and a 
>>> heavier 125-130.
>>>
>>> I think a standard main with a roach would affect heeling 
>>> differently than the IMF main. I also suspect (but don't know) that 
>>> furling our mains the way we do makes them more susceptible to 
>>> having them develop a blown out belly and that this may affect 
>>> heeling as well. I've also noticed that it is easier to get a 
>>> flatter main with our new through-the-boom outhaul arrangement - we 
>>> used to have to tie the outhaul off to a horn cleat so it was not 
>>> very adjustable on the go.
>>>
>>> Mary Lou
>>>
>>>
>>> At 10:27 AM 3/13/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>>> I have IMF. I am amazed at the range of comments regarding wind 
>>>> speed and sail selection. I don't see how it could matter if I had 
>>>> IMF or Standard main. My boat needs sails reduced in 20 plus.
>>>>
>>>> Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????
>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:59:49 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> Standard main or IMF?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Wally Buck
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:14 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My boat must be light or something. At 20 heading upwind my 125 is 
>>>>> furled to
>>>>> keep me off the rail and I am fighting a 30 degree heel.  Most 
>>>>> likely the
>>>>> boom is lowered halfway as well. I like exciting sails as much as 
>>>>> anyone and
>>>>> more than most. Too bad you can't try sails out and return them 
>>>>> like clothes
>>>>> that don't quite fit!
>>>>>
>>>>> Still have an open mind .....
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally
>>>>>
>>>>> >From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????
>>>>> >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:04:45 -0500
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Twice in one day.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Again, Wally, I agree with Rummy.  I rarely furl below 20 knots.  
>>>>> I sail
>>>>> >the boat upright with minimum heel.  I generally sail alone.  The 
>>>>> 175 makes
>>>>> >it very easy to come about.  I adjust sail sizes to keep the boat 
>>>>> well
>>>>> >balanced.  When I'm sailing in crowded harbors I reduce the size 
>>>>> of the 175
>>>>> >so I can see the traffic better.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Bill Effros
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>>>> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> >Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:18 PM
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Wally,
>>>>> >When you furl depends a lot on your style of sailing and how much 
>>>>> ballast
>>>>> >(people weight) you have with you. When alone, I never furl until 
>>>>> the winds
>>>>> >gust
>>>>> >above 20 knots. Below that and I'm comfortable. The 175 is an 
>>>>> awesome sail.
>>>>> >Besides looking good, it is an excellent performer in lite air as 
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> >mentioned. By the way, I think this is one of the first times 
>>>>> anyone has
>>>>> >agreed with me
>>>>> >on the list.....I appreciate your support Bill.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Rummy
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