[Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????

[Peter Thorn]

Mary Lou,

Just a thought...   To get rid of lee helm with your 175, have you tried
moving the genoa lead tack point much farther aft on the genoa track?  This
should spill air from the top of the sail, lower the headsail's center of
effort, and, combined with an appropriate amount of furling for the
conditions, perhaps help to balance the helm.  I agree that you would also
want to keep as much main out as possible, as you suggested, to maintain the
Center of  Effort  farther aft and that the IMF, with no roach, would tend
to aggravate this condition because it's CE is farther forward.

Under what conditions do you develop lee helm?

What size and weight would your "ideal big genoa" be?

Fair winds,

PT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mltroy at verizon.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????


Wally, we reduce sail well before 20 knots (actual or apparent) windspeed.
Our 175 seems to be the perfect sail from 4 to 10 knots. I suspect we begin
to furl it a little before 10 if it's gusty. I don't think we've ever tried
Bill's method of furling the main more than the genny as we are always
trying to get rid of lee helm. For the record we don't like the 175 for
much below 4 knots of wind - the sailcloth is just too heavy to keep the
sail full in any kind of wave action - that's one of the reasons we went to
the UPS for really light air.

My current thinking on an ideal set of sails for our boat and the way we
sail would be the UPS, a somewhat lighter big genoa and a heavier 125-130.

I think a standard main with a roach would affect heeling differently than
the IMF main. I also suspect (but don't know) that furling our mains the
way we do makes them more susceptible to having them develop a blown out
belly and that this may affect heeling as well. I've also noticed that it
is easier to get a flatter main with our new through-the-boom outhaul
arrangement - we used to have to tie the outhaul off to a horn cleat so it
was not very adjustable on the go.

Mary Lou


At 10:27 AM 3/13/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I have IMF. I am amazed at the range of comments regarding wind speed and
>sail selection. I don't see how it could matter if I had IMF or Standard
>main. My boat needs sails reduced in 20 plus.
>
>Wally
>
>
>>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????
>>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:59:49 -0500
>>
>>Standard main or IMF?
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Wally Buck
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:14 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????
>>
>>
>>My boat must be light or something. At 20 heading upwind my 125 is furled
to
>>keep me off the rail and I am fighting a 30 degree heel.  Most likely the
>>boom is lowered halfway as well. I like exciting sails as much as anyone
and
>>more than most. Too bad you can't try sails out and return them like
clothes
>>that don't quite fit!
>>
>>Still have an open mind .....
>>
>>Wally
>>
>> >From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????
>> >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:04:45 -0500
>> >
>> >Twice in one day.
>> >
>> >Again, Wally, I agree with Rummy.  I rarely furl below 20 knots.  I sail
>> >the boat upright with minimum heel.  I generally sail alone.  The 175
makes
>> >it very easy to come about.  I adjust sail sizes to keep the boat well
>> >balanced.  When I'm sailing in crowded harbors I reduce the size of the
175
>> >so I can see the traffic better.
>> >
>> >Bill Effros
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:18 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????
>> >
>> >
>> >Wally,
>> >When you furl depends a lot on your style of sailing and how much
ballast
>> >(people weight) you have with you. When alone, I never furl until the
winds
>> >gust
>> >above 20 knots. Below that and I'm comfortable. The 175 is an awesome
sail.
>> >Besides looking good, it is an excellent performer in lite air as Bill
>> >mentioned. By the way, I think this is one of the first times anyone has
>> >agreed with me
>> >on the list.....I appreciate your support Bill.
>> >
>> >
>> >Rummy
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