[Rhodes22-list] Politics -Gross Pictures of Iraq War

Sun Nov 21 12:19:49 EST 2004

Stan and Rummy,

Forgive me for using one response to both of your
replies.  For some reason, about half the R-22 e-mails
are going to my spam box and consequently I recieve
many of them late.

Stan, there are valid reasons to support the war and
there are valid reasons to oppose the war.  We know
what side I'm on but I read both sides of the
argument.  The Cato Institute, an organization that I
respect and on whose board the founder and CEO of my
employer sits, made a strong and reasoned argument
against entering armed conflict with Iraq.  But for
their premise that "democracy cannot survive in the
area" I could have been convinced not to support the
war's start.  As you know, Lindberg went to the
Pacific theatre and served as an advisor to Lockheed
and flew some combat missions.  Tens of thousands of
concientious objectors were some of our bravest
soldiers serving as medics on the battlefield.  To be
against this or any war is certainly understandable. 
To cheer bad news because the political party that led
the war effort is not your own is despicable, and that
is precisely what many do (no finger pointing on the
list).  Dewey and FDR had a gentlemans agreement that
they would not raise issues that would hurt the war
effort.  Such bi-partisan co-operation is seldom seen
these days.  I go back to the statement I made a few
days ago.  War is Hell, if you start one, win the damn
thing.

Rummy,

You are preaching to the choir (perhaps a poor choice
of words) on the religion and politics thing. 
However, this is a religious country and you can't
deal with one without recognizing the influene of the
other.  Thankfully, I'm married and not looking for
dates.  Try typing "conservative, right wing of Atilla
the Hun, Agnostic seeks, blah, blah, blah" into Yahoo
personals and see how many responses you get!

Brad

--- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:

> Brad,
> 
> Tell me I have misread this and that you are not
> joining those who use the 
> nonsense of accusing those who do not fall in lock
> step, as guilty of not 
> supporting our troops. (Incidentally I was around in
> 1944 and we did have 
> our Father Coughlins and Lindberghs who had their
> reasons for their views. 
> It was a democracy and they had their say)
> 
> Tell me you are not using the mean tactic of "not
> supporting our troops" as 
> a way of diverting issues like this war was so
> urgent we had to go into it 
> without proper protection for our troops and without
> proper planning for the 
> killing war that began after we had declared
> victory.
> 
> Tell us why the kids from your "Jesuland" are being
> forced to fight this war 
> without the kids from a single Arab nation willing
> to join the "Coalition". 
> So you don't like some of the middle, or left of
> middle, media.  But it 
> hurts me to hear you sounding like some of the right
> wing media freaks 
> spewing out this hate garbage that we do not
> supporting our troops.
> 
> They did such a darn good job making my bleeding
> liberal label a shameful 
> connection that I am forced to adopt a new label
> that will hopefully be 
> harder to vilify.
> 
> stan
> enlightened capitalist.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "brad haslett" <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 12:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics -Gross
> Pictures of Iraq War
> 
> 
> > Ed,
> >
> > It never ceases to amaze me how people will let
> their
> > partisan politics get in the way of supporting
> their
> > own country's troops.  Vietnam hangover, I guess.
> > Anyway, there was a lot of good news from Iraq in
> the
> > last two weeks, but you have to go beyond the MSM
> and
> > their adgenda to find most of it.  I don't waste
> my
> > time rebutting the naysayers anymore, I'm just
> glad
> > they weren't around this time of year in 1944.  We
> > were up against some "tough sledding" in both
> Europe
> > and the Pacific and to hear them tell it, I sure
> they
> > would say "we're doomed.
> >
> > Here's a story about Fallujah that needs to be
> told:
> >
> > http://powerlineblog.com/archives/008640.php
> >
> > Be sure and check the photo at the bottom.
> >
> > For some other perspective, here's a few articles
> I've
> > been reading.
> >
> > http://slate.msn.com/id/2090772
> >
> > http://www.peacewithrealism.org/antiwar.htm
> >
> >
>
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/11/11/kerrey/index2.html
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0204/0204justinvade.htm
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/11/21/do2106.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2004/11/21/ixop.html
> >
> >
> > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04326/414709.stm
> >
> > We have every right to be proud of our military's
> > performance.  Let the doomsday critics enjoy thier
> > freedom because a bunch of kids from "Jesusland"
> are
> > willing to fight!
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- ed kroposki <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Ron,
> >> As you are aware, I do not agree with you.
> >> However, I also
> >> understand it is useless to try reason and put
> forth
> >> other information.
> >> Circulating on the internet are some pictures
> that
> >> prove your point.
> >> See the attached pictures.
> >> Shocking Pictures from Iraq...too gross for ABC,
> >> CBS AND CNN.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Ronald Lipton
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 2:56 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics -Tom Sowell
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Our objective in Iraq has been from the
> beginning
> >> to
> >> > change the political dynamics of a whole
> region.
> >> > Yeah, it was sold on WMD, disposing a dictator,
> >> etc.,
> >> > but the real reasons are that everything we've
> >> tried
> >> > in the last thirty years haven't worked.  That
> >> point
> >> > was driven home on 9/11.
> >>
> >> Yes, it was sold on a lie - continues under
> no-win
> >> conditions with no clear exit strategy, and has
> >> resulted
> >> in dividing the US from it's allies, alienating
> much
> >> of
> >> the word, and fostering Islamic fundamentalism. 
> If
> >> what we tried in the past 30 years didn't work at
> >> least
> >> it was not the flaming disaster that we have on
> our
> >> hands
> >> now.
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >>
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