[Rhodes22-list]Politics: Another Fearless Prediction

[brad haslett]

Bill,

Where have you been hiding?  WMD conspiracy theories? 
I love/hate the New Yorker Magazine but I'll use it to
make a point.  Saddams's possession AND use of WMD is
well documented.  Where are they now?  Don't know.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020325fa_FACT1

There's tons of info on this attack and others.  I'm
using this article out of convenience because I
remember reading it when it was first published.

Brad Haslett
"CoraShen"
--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Brad,
> 
> That's the 1991 analysis of chemical agents.  CIA
> was wrong about their ability to create and store
> chemical agents after 1991.  They couldn't and
> didn't.  We know that now.
> 
> We provided Iraq with the biological weapons.  They
> didn't have the ability to develop them by
> themselves.  Iraq never developed the ability to
> make them.  They never had nukes, and never came
> close.  We provided the precursor chemicals required
> for Iraq's manufacture of chemical weapons, and we
> authorized their use, but when we pulled the plug
> they were never able to produce the stable chemicals
> required in sufficient quantity for a weapons
> program.  We have stockpiles of many of the same
> chemical WMD, and like the Iraqis, we destroyed
> several different types because they were unstable.
> 
> We didn't find WMD because Iraq didn't have WMD. 
> Our government spent over a billion dollars looking
> for something every knowledgeable person knew wasn't
> there and hadn't been there.  There are real issues
> to address.  Let's not spend a lot of time
> concocting WMD conspiracy theories.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: brad haslett 
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Politics: Another
> Fearless Prediction
> 
> 
> Gentlemen,
> 
> Here's a link to the Federation of American
> Scientists
> 1991 analysis of Iraq's bio capability based on CIA
> data.
> 
> http://www.fas.org/irp/gulf/cia/960705/73919_01.htm
> 
> Brad Haslett
> "CoraShen"
> 
> 
> --- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net> wrote:
> 
> > Bill,
> > 
> > Scott Rider's assertions to the contrary, consider
> > this.  At the time Iraq
> > developed & was using their chemical & biological
> > weapons, they were the 4th
> > largest military force in the world.  Iraq is
> mostly
> > desert & all of Iraq's
> > neighbors are mostly desert.  Thus, any battle
> > scenario that the Iraq
> > military could reasonably foresee, not matter
> > whether it was defensive or
> > offensive would involve desert warfare.  These are
> > smart people being driven
> > by a madman for whom failure was not an option. 
> > Literally billions of
> > dollars in resources were available to these
> > programs.  When your family is
> > being held hostage & your own life is in danger of
> > imprisonment &/or torture
> > if you don't succeed, I would imagine most folks
> > would get right down to
> > business & solve the biological, chemical,
> > shelflife, & other technical
> > problems of getting chemical & biological weapons
> to
> > work in a desert combat
> > scenario.  No one doubts that the United States &
> > Russia know how to build
> > biological and chemical weapons.  The chemical
> > weapons disposal program in
> > the US Army involved warheads that were something
> > like 30+ years old & they
> > were treated with due respect.  Why would anyone
> > doubt that the Iraq
> > military couldn't build a similarly robust, long
> > shelf life weapon?
> > Sometimes, you have to give the devil his due.
> > 
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another Fearless
> > Prediction
> > 
> > 
> > > "If we find something, great, but
> professionally,
> > > I don't see how these weapons could exist. They
> > > defy the laws of industry, the laws of science
> and
> > > technology.They have no shelf life."
> > >
> > > Scott Ridder
> > > Former UN Inspector
> > > April 18, 2003
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Roger Pihlaja
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 3:34 PM
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Fearless
> > Prediction
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > Since your news story seems to have vindicated
> the
> > prediction I made last
> > summer regarding smuggling WMD's out of Iraq into
> > Syria & Lebanon, let me
> > make another fearless prediction.  By, the way
> Bill,
> > you are mistaken
> > regarding the shelf life & stability of chemical &
> > biological weapons.  They
> > are both plenty stable enough to be transported
> long
> > distances over the
> > desert.  If they weren't, they would never survive
> > the heat & pressure of
> > the explosive used to disperse them when the
> warhead
> > goes off.  Anthrax, for
> > example, is a bacteria that lives naturally in the
> > soil by forming spores
> > that are remarkably resistant to the environment. 
> > So-called "weaponized"
> > Anthrax is actually a mixture of spray dried
> Anthrax
> > spores stuck to the
> > surface of particles of an inert low density
> > substrate such as finely ground
> > cellulose.  The trick is to get the particle size
> > distribution just right so
> > the particles tend to get lofted into the air,
> float
> > around on air currents
> > for long distances, & eventually get inhaled by
> > potential victims.  In the
> > moist, warm conditions inside the respiratory
> tract,
> > the Anthrax spores
> > spring back to life & infect the victim.  Chemical
> > weapons are usually of
> > the so-called "binary" type wherein the warhead
> > actually contains two
> > compartments.  Each compartment contains a
> reactive
> > precusor.  When the
> > warhead is fired, the precursor chemicals are
> mixed
> > together & chemically
> > react to form the final toxin, such as a nerve
> > agent.  Although the final
> > toxin may have a short half life, each of the
> > precursor chemicals is quite
> > stable over long periods of time.
> > >
> > > I just heard a news story that the US State Dept
> > has approved the sale of
> > several hundred million dollars worth of
> > "penetrating munitions" to Israel.
> > Now what do you suppose Israel would want with a
> > boatload of bunker busters?
> > Unless Iran opens up its nuclear program to permit
> > on-site inspections, I
> > predict Israel will do a coordinated air assault
> to
> > take out about a dozen
> > key Iranian nuclear facilities all at the same
> time,
> > in a scaled-up version
> > of a similar operation they pulled on Iraq in
> 1985(I
> > think that was the
> > year?).  I predict this will happen in less than a
> > year from now.  The
> > United States will chastise Israel in public for
> > this action; but, in
> 
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