[Rhodes22-list] Parts Catalog
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Sat Aug 27 14:07:04 EDT 2005
Todd,
Any help you can give will be appreciated.
We are just a bunch of people with the same sailboat. Our fearless
leader is having trouble holding everything together, and there is no
rational reason for him to try to work any harder than he already
works. So we all do what we can to help--and to ensure parts and
continuity for our toys.
Your notes on the parts catalog, and your experience will be
incorporated if this project gets any further than the talking
stage--and if Stan has the slightest interest in having a parts
catalog. Without Stan, we won't have a parts catalog.
And yes, please contact anyone who might be able to help us in China.
Others have contacted me off-list to say they are doing the same thing.
Maybe nothing will ever come of this, but it is an area in which Stan
has no expertise, and we are his network, so we are trying to help.
Thanks for speaking up,
Bill Effros
Todd & Julie Zumach wrote:
>Bill and Others,
>
>A DIGRESSION PEHAPS...
>
>I have been lurking here enjoying the conversation about manufacturing
>accessories. This latest post starts to get into an area where I have some
>experience. For the past 19 years I have worked in manufacturing dealing with
>inventory, costs, etc. I have also implemented part numbering systems, bills of
>materials, and an engineering change system. My point is (and this is a very
>narrow focus) that creating item numbers and bills of materials is very straight
>forward. Don't worry about the computer aspect, be concerned about the human
>interaction. For instance, use a simple numeric only part number system. Seven
>digits is an excellent example. Treating the numbers like phone numbers (i.e.
>9312564) with a significant block of 3 digits allows categorization by type of
>part. The last four digits are a non-significant, sequential number. Try to
>limit use of alpha characters and special characters like dashes (-). All this
>makes for simple reading by people who may not speak English. Also, an item only
>gets a number once. You don't want the same snap to have two different part
>numbers. That just increases your inventory and creates confusion.
>
>You have stumbled upon a subject I have some knowledge and interest in. If I can
>help in any way, I certainly will.
>
>On a slightly different note, the company I work for has offices around the
>world. We are currently investigating a partnership with a Chinese company to
>build our equipment in Asia. If it would help, I can contact some of our people
>to tap into their network of Chinese contacts.
>
>Todd Zumach
>Phillips, WI
>
>P.S. I have had the boat out sailing three times since I got her. This is an
>awesome sailboat. I am looking forward to weekends in the Apostle Islands next
>Summer!
>
>On Sat Aug 27 9:22 , Bill Effros bill at effros.com> sent:
>
>
>
>>Ed,
>>
>>At this point you clearly know more about this than anyone in the world
>>except Stan. We computer guys can help, but we can't work around if we
>>don't understand the work.
>>
>>There should be a parts catalog. Can you help develop one? Some of the
>>parts are obvious -- Hull; Pop-Top; Cleat; etc. Some are so obscure we
>>won't even know how to name them (Spring Inside Thingy that Locks
>>Pop-Top in Open Position).
>>
>>From a computer point of view, I suppose we should give a prefix number
>>to every major item (Hull=001; Pop-Top=002; etc.) Stan speaks of
>>multiple molds required to fabricate an R22. Each should have its own
>>prefix number. Then the parts attached to it should have sub-numbers,
>>so a cleat attached to the hull might have a different number than a
>>cleat attached to the cabin--even if it were the same cleat.
>>
>>I haven't done this in a while, so the science may have leap frogged
>>beyond what I know. We have no shortage of computer guys on the list
>>who can help.
>>
>>Starting with just the Boom Room, what are the parts? I assume each
>>sub-assembly will get its own part number (the computer can figure out
>>that a snap on the end of a strap, attached to a screen, sewed onto a
>>Velcro frame cut out of the main boom room assembly; is the same snap as
>>the snap on a pop-top enclosure where it attaches to the sloping portion
>>of the bow--even though they have 2 different part numbers so the
>>Bulgarian will know that the snap is used for one purpose in one
>>sub-assembly, and another purpose in the other sub-assembly. The
>>computer will allocate the inventory properly, and reorder pieces before
>>they are needed.)
>>
>>Ed, returning to the central point, would you be able to spec all the
>>parts needed to assemble just a boom room? (English will be fine for
>>this exercise.) If we can find the Chinese to do the job, we will have
>>to be able to provide all of this information. We should develop our
>>parts numbering system for the Boom Room so we can fool the Chinese into
>>thinking we have even the slightest idea of what we are talking about.
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>ed kroposki wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> You guys miss a very important point. On line ordering requires
>>>that the recipient of your order understands what you want. That takes time
>>>and experience. It takes understanding the language that you are speaking
>>>in.
>>> All parts orders from GBI need to be written clearly in three
>>>languages at this time. They need to be in English, Bulgarian, and Spanish.
>>>Orders written in English only can languish until the maestro has time to
>>>decipher them and translate to Spanish and Bulgarian. When translating to
>>>Spanish, a detailed engineering drawing and photo are required. A digital
>>>picture enhances the probability of an accurate exchange of information.
>>> These requirements can change Monday morning when Stan hires a new
>>>guy from Turkey or Vietnam. Always keep in mind that many parts for a
>>>Rhodes 22 are unique, and that year of manufacture has relevance to part
>>>needed. There is no master catalog of Rhodes 22 parts. Each boat is hand
>>>crafted, and boats vary depending on the availability of each part and
>>>Stan's penchant for innovation. The computer experts are familiar with the
>>>phrase 'work around'.
>>>
>>>Ed K
>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>>Addendum: You can tell it is 2005 when you have 15 cell phone numbers for
>>>three people.
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>[rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org','','','')">rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
>>>
>>>
>On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>
>
>>>Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:05 PM
>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
>>>
>>>Great idea Stan. Should help everyone. Now, how about an on-line parts
>>>catalog...
>>>Bob K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "stan" stan at rhodes22.com>
>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>To: "Peter Thorn" pthorn at nc.rr.com>,"The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
>>>>Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:12:57 -0400
>>>>
>>>>Peter,
>>>>
>>>>granted they are not mind readers but hopefully they are e-mail readers and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I had thought we were pretty clear.
>>>>
>>>>up to this point we had not told anyone what to do - we just wanted to
>>>>explain how the wind was shifting and wanted to see if any of the brain
>>>>trust had some interesting thoughts and you in particular certainly did.
>>>>
>>>>in the final analysis it was clear we had to make a decision and we have
>>>>come up with a simple one.
>>>>
>>>>We think the Rhodes-list is wonderful and we will do everything in our
>>>>control to help it expand by recommending to everyone we sell a Rhodes to
>>>>that they immediately join this great group.
>>>>
>>>>At the same time we decided that we will no longer direct Rhodes prospects
>>>>or Rhodes sellers (that approach us) to the List. .Instead we will open a
>>>>second web site which will be the place to go for anyone who wants to buy
>>>>or sell a Rhodes and is agreeable to the terms. This site will be the
>>>>Rhodes Buying and Selling Exchange, strictly business and humorless.
>>>>With practically no 22 size competition left on the market, this will be a
>>>>highly specialized place to go for sellers and buyers. And this will
>>>>expand GB's selling of new Rhodes and Recycled Rhodes to now also include
>>>>GB's help in the selling of Used Rhodes of any vintage.
>>>>
>>>>When anyone on the Rhodes-List wants to sell their boat they can take
>>>>advantage of the "Rhodes Buyers and Sellers Exchange" or any other media
>>>>they wish. They just no longer will be having their List clogged up with a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>flow of Rhodes wannabes from GBI's web site links or literature or sales
>>>>force.
>>>>
>>>>We see it as a win/win solution that will be universally beneficial.
>>>>
>>>>stan/gbi/ec
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:37 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Stan,
>>>>>
>>>>>The members of the list are not mind-readers. (At least, I think there are
>>>>>none). If you want your friends, supporters and good customers on the
>>>>>list
>>>>>to do something specific to help GBI react to tough times you must tell us
>>>>>clearly how to help. Many or most are quite willing. Give us something
>>>>>simple and effective to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>What's the plan Stan?
>>>>>
>>>>>PT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "stan" stan at rhodes22.com>
>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:42 PM
>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: stan
>>>>> To: stan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:29 AM
>>>>> Subject: Stan's lament - and decision
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Rhodies
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to the handful who found time to contribute your thinking -
>>>>>some interesting thoughts to mull over.
>>>>>
>>>>> We do not have trouble selling Rhodes - it is just that we are not
>>>>>selling them for our own account - not a problem when new boats were the
>>>>>mainstay but with recycled sales now the bill payers, even I can see the
>>>>>writing on the wall as a gowing % of our promtional outlays gets posted
>>>>>under the expense item: charity. As not a perfect past experience
>>>>>example, owners would go to Triad to bypass GB for their trailers (if you
>>>>>read our two page report on developing the Rhodes Unit-matic trailer
>>>>>features - radical in those days - you can appreciate our investment
>>>>>here)
>>>>>and Triad sold direct and we switched builders. When Triad asked us to
>>>>>come
>>>>>back they agreed to send all inquiries to us and that has worked to the
>>>>>bigger advantage of both sides ever since.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the "List", we have decided to turn off the faucet, for now.
>>>>>We will work on what would be best for all those concerned, in the longer
>>>>>run.
>>>>>
>>>>> stan for general boats
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