[Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
Stephen Staum
staum at earthlink.net
Sun Mar 6 16:07:20 EST 2005
Thanks for the ideas Bill. I especially like your backing into shore
system. Ss
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:56 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
> Peter,
>
> I intended to spend a lot of time last summer working on anchoring, but
> didn't spend enough time on my boat to do any of it.
>
> My boat is on a mooring--which is another way of saying it is permanently
> on anchor. That anchor weighs 300 pounds, is mushroom shaped, and was
> professionally set under the mud. Were you on the list when I described
> rowing out to my boat and finding the stern 5 feet above the water, 250
> yards from where I last left it? No harm done to my boat, but it let me
> know that even the biggest imaginable anchor could drift under certain
> circumstances that sometimes happen.
>
> On the other hand, I rarely take my boat out of the water before November
> 15 (yes the water is still reasonably warm enough at that time) so my boat
> has been on anchor through many hurricanes without any drifting or damage
> at all. I feel my boat is safer in the water pretty much by itself, than
> lined up like dominoes on land with the rest of the boats.
>
> In addition to the standard issue R-22 anchor (which is still as pretty as
> the day it left Stan's plant because it has never been in the water) I
> have an 11 lb. Fortress which I keep assembled under the port seat. A 7
> lb. Fortress which I keep unassembled in the Lazarette. A 15 lb. vinyl
> covered mushroom sometimes called "bullet" anchor, inverted in the forward
> cowling opening above the anchor rode drawer, attached to 300 feet of line
> and 20 feet of chain with a snap fitting that can easily be moved from one
> anchor to another. Additional line and chain under the 11 lb. Fortress in
> the cockpit. Additional line and chain in a bucket in the lazarette.
> Polypropylene line and a small float attached to a small vinyl covered
> grapnel anchor in a nylon case in the lazarette. A 1 1/2 lb.; 3 lb; and 5
> lb folding grapnel anchor. A corkscrew type "land anchor". Another 15
> lb. vinyl anchor--can be used as a paper weight, sentinel, or rail meat
> when sailing light handed. I know that's more than 7--I probably have
> even more than that, but I can't keep track.
>
> The smallest anchor is sufficient much of the time. I generally stern
> anchor because that's the easiest. If I start to drift I can see it, and
> adjust, or not. Most of the time I would just as soon heave to, which is
> a very comfortable way to eat lunch or loaf if you can maintain a watch.
>
> I anchor from both the eyes and the cleats. There is no chafe issue when
> eye-anchoring. I don't like anchor chocks.
>
> You can set anchors fore and aft to keep your boat from swinging or the
> anchor from resetting. In Long Island Sound the tide is going to shift
> 180 degrees overnight.
>
> You can set anchors 180 degrees apart and attach both to the bow eye,
> allowing your boat to swing with the tide, but not move from where you
> left it. You can do the same thing on your stern cleats.
>
> You can set an anchor off shore, and then back the boat to an island so
> that you can almost stand on land with the ladder down. Take the land
> anchor auger and turn it into the beach sand. Attach the auger to a line
> attached to the stern. Let the boat go back out to deeper water so you
> won't be grounded when the tide goes out (we have a 9 foot tidal
> variation) and can still pull the boat back in when you are ready to get
> back on board. Variation--tie a line to a tree.
>
> Everyone says you should have 7:1 scope, but when they start anchoring,
> there isn't enough room for everyone so they all start short scoping, and
> you can't do anything different or you're going to smack into someone. I
> like to sail late, so I come into anchorages late after all the good spots
> are taken. I know how to anchor both deeper and shallower than most
> people.
>
> Now I'll add kedging to my bag of tricks. Never thought I'd need it, and
> of course, it's a lot less critical on a shoal draft boat, but there it
> is.
>
> Let me know what you try, how it works, and any pointers. It's getting
> harder and harder to find people who really know how to anchor--everyone
> just wants to pick up a mooring. I'll let you know how I do.
>
> Bill Effros
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> Peter Thorn wrote:
>
>>Bill,
>>
>>That's interesting and thoughtful. Would you mind explaining in a little
>>more detail what anchors you carry and specifically what each is used for?
>>My knowledge of anchors ends pretty much at night hook and lunch hook.
>>
>>PT
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:02 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Kedging
>>
>>
>>
>>>Brad,
>>>
>>>That had something to do with my "water temperature" question of last
>>>week. I have stopped sailing in water so cold that it can kill me if I
>>>wind up in it. It's just not worth the risk. You can kedge with the
>>>proper anchor and a life vest if you can get into and out of the water
>>>without killing yourself. I gather from last week's replies that your
>>>water is borderline for possibly killing you. Remember, that if you
>>>start to suffer from hypothermia, you can die even if you can get back
>>>to your boat and get warm dry clothes. Again, not worth the risk.
>>>
>>>If you can get into the water without risk of dying, you secure the
>>>kedging anchor to a life vest and swim it out. Then you set it, and
>>>see if you can pull the boat toward the anchor.
>>>
>>>I don't think you were on the list when I mentioned that I am currently
>>>carrying 7 anchors and trying to learn to use them. They are all
>>>different types and sizes, all smaller than the standard issue R-22
>>>anchor. Everyone sizes their anchor for a huge storm on a much larger
>>>boat--just to be on the safe side. Then they never learn to set these
>>>anchors, or don't regularly carry them because they are simply too big
>>>to use on our little boats.
>>>
>>>I have found that tiny anchors are more than sufficient for most
>>>situations, and that they can be so small that a 10 year old can set and
>>>retrieve them without hurting the boat. Used in combination, these
>>>small anchors can match the holding power of much larger anchors. Set
>>>in different locations, they can obviate the risk of drifting, or the
>>>necessity for an anchor that can reliably reset.
>>>
>>>Small kedging anchors can be thrown far enough to start the boat
>>>heeling, and if you have more than one, they can be "walked" from one to
>>>the next by throwing them further out as the boat heels more and more.
>>>I've never tried this--I just read it. I do try different anchoring
>>>techniques to try to learn about them when I'm not in trouble. It's
>>>kind of fun, and I find it interesting.
>>>
>>>I saw the attached note recently and thought of you.
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>brad haslett wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bill,
>>>>
>>>>As we were passing the time whilst freezing our arses
>>>>off Friday night, we dug through the ships library for
>>>>ideas and that one was discussed. One problem; we
>>>>didn't have the dink with us. I tried throwing the
>>>>anchor over the side the next morning but couldn't get
>>>>the distance required for the leverage needed. When
>>>>my friend showed up we started with brute force and
>>>>were "that close" several times. Knowing what I know
>>>>now, I'll go for the kedging first thing, AND, I'm
>>>>taking the dink with me on our Spring trip in a few
>>>>weeks.
>>>>
>>>>Brad
>>>>--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Brad,
>>>>>
>>>>>The technique is called "kedging" and can be
>>>>>performed with a dinghy and
>>>>>an anchor. It works better with an anchor built for
>>>>>kedging because the
>>>>>pull on the anchor line is in a direction that is
>>>>>designed to release
>>>>>most of the anchors we tend to carry.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>brad haslett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The wind on Friday was awesome! 15-20 mph with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>gusts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>to 30. I had the CoraShen indicating 9 knots when
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>max hull speed is supposed to be about 7.5. My
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>older
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>brother was on his first sail and was as excited as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>little kid. We came up on a part of the river I'm
>>>>>>pretty familiar with and decided to swing wide
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>rather
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>than tack because we were going fast and having too
>>>>>>much fun. THEN, I made the shortest landing in my
>>>>>>career. We went from 9 knots to 0 knots in about
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>10
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>feet. It wasn't a jolt, we just quit moving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>About
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>two seconds later the depth alarm went off, real
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>good
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>timing. What we had after that was a sailing
>>>>>>simulator. You could do anything you wanted with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>sails, engine, etc. because the boat wasn't going
>>>>>>anywhere. As the sun started down we lost the wind
>>>>>>and the will to solve our prediciment. I made some
>>>>>>calls on both the radio and cell-phone but couldn't
>>>>>>raise anyone for help. So, we spent the night on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>boat. It got down to the low 40's and I didn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>find
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>the blanket I knew was on the boat until the next
>>>>>>morning. Anyway, I was able to get ahold of a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>friend
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>of mine that lives on the lake Saturday morning and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>he
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>showed up with his pontoon boat with a 115hp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>engine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>We towed the bow, the stern, clockwise,
>>>>>>counter-clockwise, but didn't move the boat. We
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>were
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>only 5 feet from deep water but couldn't get there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Finally we tied the halyard to the side rail and
>>>>>>started towing from the top of the mast. After the
>>>>>>boat was heeled about 45 degrees it started
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>floating
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>and we drug it sideways to deeper water. Hopefully
>>>>>>this will be my only grounding for the season but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>if
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>it happens again, I'll pull that solution out of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>trick-bag first. By 11 am Saturday we were free
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>sailed back to the dock. I was so tired from the
>>>>>>experience I didn't feel like doing any work on the
>>>>>>boat. Oh well, that's a good excuse to go back to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>lake later in the week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brad Haslett
>>>>>>"CoraShen"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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