[Rhodes22-list] Ed's point?

[Wally Buck]

Ed,

I don't know about you but I would want a pro with years of experience 
running FEMA. One day your life may depend on it!


Wally


>From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ron Lipton's point?
>Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:59:25 -0400
>
>Ron,
>	I agree that Brown's head ought to roll, however, your analogy as to
>his prior job before entering public service is on shaky ground.  One of my
>favorite politicians was a tailor in Missouri before elected to the U. S.
>Senate.  I think that he grew up to the job.  This guy did not. You can not
>predict personal success with accuracy.
>	He failed now should be the reason for his departure.  His prior
>full time employment may or may not be indicative of how he will perform in
>a high stress situation.  You should ask yourself how many Heisman Trophy
>winners also win the Super Bowl?  Then ask how many quarterbacks that you
>never heard of in college do win?
>
>Ed K
>Greenville, SC, USA
>Addendum:  "The art of leadership uses identical methods in many kinds of
>situations."  Ordway Tead, business writher circa 1936
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Lipton
>Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:22 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation
>
>Brad,
>
> > investigated and will be.  What did the head of FEMA
> > do before that job?  I forget, I think he was some
> > political hack, kinda like Truman.
>
>The answer:
>  "Before joining the Bush administration in 2001, Brown spent 11 years as
>the
>commissioner of judges and stewards for the International Arabian Horse
>Association, a breeders' and horse-show organization based in Colorado"
>http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=100857
>
>Have fun at MCPP - lots of problems for you guys to solve.
>
>Ron
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "brad haslett" <flybrad at yahoo.com>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation
>
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I haven't absolved anybody of anything.  Iraq and
> > Katrina are two separate issues, however, the same
> > people who complain about ursurping the power of the
> > dictator in Iraq are now complaining that the POTUS
> > didn't ursurp power from the mayor of NO and the
> > Governor of LA.  Maybe W learned his "Pottery Barn"
> > lesson in Iraq and didn't want to make the same
> > mistake twice.  What some people seem to be saying is
> > that the President should have immediately flown to
> > NO, stood on the dike with shovel in hand, had his
> > Cabinet take over the state and local governments, and
> > personally command the evacuation of the city.  He DID
> > call the Governor and "twist her arm" to do just that,
> > and she acknowledged that in the evacuation press
> > conference with the mayor at her side.  Did FEMA
> > underperform?  Probably, no matter how well some
> > person or institution performs, they can always do
> > better.  Was FEMA a complete failure?  They did a
> > pretty good job in Florida last year, perhaps less
> > than adequate this year.  This all deserves to be
> > investigated and will be.  What did the head of FEMA
> > do before that job?  I forget, I think he was some
> > political hack, kinda like Truman.
> >
> > Speaking of performing, I have to jump in the
> > simulator for training for my new job.  Afterwords I'm
> > going to the Memphis Center for Peace and Prosperity
> > for some scotch, I mean meetings.  They always have an
> > answer.  I'll let you know this evening.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > --- Ronald Lipton <rlipton at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >>    I can't believe thast you are willing to absolve
> >> FEMA and
> >> the Federal government for this disaster.  It was
> >> clearing beyond
> >> the scope of any local abilities.  There was more
> >> than adequate
> >> warning of the hurricane, and the were multiple
> >> statments about
> >> resources being prepositioned to be available
> >> immediatlely after
> >> landfall.  The chaos was obvious. Statements by
> >> Chertoff and
> >> Brown were immediately contradicted by facts on the
> >> ground.
> >> Part of this may be the belief in the the government
> >> that spin
> >> is everything - if you spin right it doesn't matter
> >> what you do.
> >>
> >> It seems to me that there is plenty of blame to go
> >> around, local,
> >> state, and national.  But I am hoping that people
> >> start thinking
> >> about real priorities - do we want to continue
> >> spending ~100 billion\
> >> to create the most fertile breeding ground for
> >> terrorists in the
> >> world in Iraq.  Is the environment important? Is is
> >> worth ~20 billion
> >> to restore the protective wetlands?  Global warming
> >> is real. Do we have
> >> a policy?  What are the effects? Are we happy with
> >> the loss of
> >> manufacting in the US?  What does it really mean to
> >> the economy and
> >> the workforce?
> >>
> >> Whoops - I am getting off subject.  But a final quiz
> >> question - what
> >> was the head of FEMA's previous job?
> >>
> >> Ron
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "brad haslett" <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:44 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation
> >>
> >>
> >> > Wally,
> >> >
> >> > It will be years before NO recovers from this, the
> >> > nation as well, and there will be lots of failing
> >> > grades passed around when all the investigations
> >> are
> >> > over.  In the meantime, a lot of people are still
> >> > suffering and still need our help, and money, or
> >> both.
> >> >
> >> > The last revision of a bad plan from the city of
> >> NO
> >> > was to make and distribute DVD's before this years
> >> > hurricane season, educating the citizens that in
> >> the
> >> > event of a major hurricane, "you are on your own".
> >>
> >> > The city plan also included using the city and
> >> school
> >> > system bus fleet for evacuation but even that
> >> wasn't
> >> > implemented.
> >> >
> >> > As we speak, the National Guard is still under
> >> command
> >> > of the LA governor.  If regular military units
> >> > step-in, they can engage in relief efforts only,
> >> not
> >> > law enforcement under the Posse Comitatus Act.
> >> Every
> >> > FEMA engagement plan assumes that the local
> >> > authorities will control the first 72 hours.  It
> >> is
> >> > painfully clear that NO either could not or would
> >> not
> >> > do that.  "Cowboy" Bush could have stepped up to
> >> the
> >> > plate and taken over the whole operation early-on
> >> > through his emergency powers, something no
> >> President
> >> > has done since Reconstruction.
> >> >
> >> > Unless we are willing to re-write the constitution
> >> > dividing the separations of local/state/federal
> >> power,
> >> > we have to assume that each level of government
> >> will
> >> > do their part at the appropriate time.  If they
> >> can't
> >> > or won't, these are the results we get.
> >> Tragically
> >> > for the citizens of NO, a lot of elected officials
> >> > failed to do their part.
> >> >
> >> > The lesson that should be burning in all our
> >> 'noggins'
> >> > as we discuss these issues is this:  Take
> >> > responsibility for you and your family's welfare.
> >> Be
> >> > a Boy Scout - be prepared.
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >> > --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> As always it is hard to figure out the truth. One
> >> >> thing for sure I have
> >> >> never seen anything like this. It does seems that
> >> >> many mistakes were made by
> >> >> local, State and Federal officials. You can also
> >> >> second guess anyone who had
> >> >> the means to leave but stayed. I can't see murder
> >> >> charges for officials but
> >> >> it does seem that Home Land Security running FEMA
> >> is
> >> >> a cluster f**k.
> >> >>
> >> >> Did FEMA really send water back? Was the Guard
> >> >> authorization form just
> >> >> haning out of a fax machine waiting a signature
> >> or
> >> >> what? I am not a big Bush
> >> >> fan but it is hard for me to believe that the
> >> whole
> >> >> delay was because Bush
> >> >> was chopping wood. Local officials let the people
> >> >> down years ago by not
> >> >> developing a solid plan. It cost dearly,
> >> hopefully
> >> >> other areas learn from
> >> >> this.
> >> >>
> >> >> A nice three days sailing! What a weekend.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wally
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> >> >> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation
> >> >> >Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:28:38 -0400
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nice try, Ed, but it won't wash.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >1/2 the Louisiana National Guard was in
> >> Iraq--along
> >> >> with all of their meals
> >> >> >ready to eat, and most of their equipment.  (We
> >> >> have now asked your friends
> >> >> >in France to send us food and water trucks.)
> >> >> Walmart immediately sent
> >> >> >water, but FEMA sent it back saying New Orleans
> >> >> didn't need it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Director of Homeland Security and the Head
> >> of
> >> >> FEMA both said they
> >> >> >didn't even know there were 15,000 people
> >> totally
> >> >> at the mercy of roving
> >> >> >gangs within the New Orleans Convention Center
> >> at a
> >> >> time when news
> >> >> >organizations were reporting about it on
> >> national
> >> >> television from the site.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Governor and Mayor immediately called other
> >> >> states for help, and the
> >> >> >other Governors were ready to send, but W. was
> >> >> clearing brush in Texas,
> >> >> >Condi was shopping in NYC, -- (August is a
> >> vacation
> >> >> month) -- and there was
> >> >> >no one in DC to authorize the transfer of
> >> National
> >> >> Guard troops.  (You see,
> >> >> >the states can't just send their armed militias
> >> >> into other states, they've
> >> >> >got to get authorization from the Federal
> >> >> Government--which didn't happen.
> >> >> >And why should it?  "I don't think anyone
> >> >> anticipated the breach of the
> >> >> >levees" -- George W. Bush, Good Morning America,
> >> >> September 1, 2005.
> >> >> >
> >>
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
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