[Rhodes22-list] New Design BR

Thu Feb 9 17:18:51 EST 2006

Dave,

You are patient, and thanks for your reply.  A few questions you may be able to answer...

What type and weight of sailcloth would be best suitable for this application?  Sails are made without a concern or need for water resistance, in fact are not water resistant.  The lighter cloth is less able in this type of use and the heavier is harder to manage, store, and less flexible (more difficult to install/uninstall).  Vendors of sailcloth I have spoken with vis-a-vis a cockpit cover have told me they would clearly prefer sunbrella versus sailcloth for rain protection.  I would not want to discover that I need to apply treatment to my cover while in the midst of a heavy downpour in the middle of the night.  I have seen some nasty unexpected storms like this.  What is the treatment, and how available is it to the public?

Sailcloth is vulnerable to UV deterioration, the vendors tell me that in a stretched configuration (to prevent pooling or weeping) the UV exposed cloth would become fragile in about a year, more prone to rip and more often in need of replacement.  As a user I am concerned about durability.  

I am searching for the most nearly 'bulletproof' option, and can't see the value of a few bucks, or a few ounces, per yard saved if it results in an obvious compromise of any type.  Does that make sense to you?

Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 9, 2006 7:35 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Design BR
>
>Art, if I recall the discussion correctly, Stan's main reasons for favoring
>Dacron sail cloth over Sunbrella were lower weight and lower expense.  He
>felt that spraying the material to be waterproof is not a big deal.
>
>Dave B.
>
>
>On 2/8/06, Arthur H. Czerwonky <czerwonky at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Wally,
>> True, I understand 5 year timeframe, I would likely then replace.  Do you
>> think sailcloth would not need treatment before this.  I am curious why,
>> except maybe cost, could Sunbrella be less attractive?  Thanks for your
>> input, as I may try sailcloth if that good an option.
>> Art
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>> >Sent: Feb 8, 2006 11:55 AM
>> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Design BR
>> >
>> >Art,
>> >
>> >Sunbrella is a great product but it also has to be treated as it ages.
>> >
>> >Wally
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
>> >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Design BR
>> >>Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:17:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>> >>
>> >>Slim,
>> >>
>> >>Like you say, different strokes for different folks.  If someone prefers
>> to
>> >>wrap the mast and carry the BR all the way forward, why not.  From my
>> >>perspective the result doesn't provide any benefit (topping the cabin
>> roof)
>> >>and provides mobility problems and setup/takedown problems.  Further, I
>> am
>> >>still not comfortable with a top fabric that needs to be treated.  Make
>> the
>> >>top white sunbrella, spend precious few bucks more, and not have to
>> worry
>> >>about putting treatment on the fabric.  Anyone who doubts, watch how
>> water
>> >>behaves on Sunbrella.  That is why it is the industry standard.  I am
>> >>really not sure the sailcloth is that inexpensive.
>> >>
>> >>Another thought - Why do we have to have a cookie cutter product?  It is
>> no
>> >>more expensive to make it custom than to make it universal in my
>> view.  If
>> >>it needs to be $1K a copy, let's answer the challenge.
>> >>
>> >>Art
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
>> >> >Sent: Feb 7, 2006 1:49 AM
>> >> >To: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Design BR
>> >> >
>> >> >OK, look, there's one thing that all agree upon--the pop top enclosure
>> is
>> >> >too good to be true.  I could go on and on about how easy it is to set
>> up
>> >> >and take down; doesn't require any frame; you can motor and/or sail
>> with
>> >>it
>> >> >up; provides standing head room under cover; has roll-up storm
>> >>flaps/screen
>> >> >windows; easily stowable; is the first defense against the weather;
>> >>already
>> >> >beautifully engineered and available for about a grand.  What could be
>> >> >better?
>> >> >
>> >> >Then comes the cockpit extension.  The cockpit room extension of the
>> PTE.
>> >> >In my opinion, everyone who is interested in expanding the use of
>> their
>> >>boat
>> >> >should have the PTE first.  Period.  Then why should the boom room
>> make
>> >>the
>> >> >already-perfect PTE obsolete?  Why not integrate?
>> >> >
>> >> >My guess would be that Stan wants to offer an either/or type of option
>> so
>> >> >you could either spend a grand on the PTE or spend a grand on the Boom
>> >> >Room--your choice--but you won't have to spend two grand to enclose
>> the
>> >> >cockpit.  You could spend one grand for a stand-alone BR like
>> mine.  But
>> >> >since nobody DOESN'T want the PTE, or already has one, why not go from
>> >> >there?  Sort of a step one and step two enclosure system.
>> >> >
>> >> >The two inherent problems with my boom room are the issue with the
>> >>shrouds
>> >> >and access to the bow.  Stan seems to be sticking to that design.
>> Art's
>> >> >design lacks those flaws.  So does Roger's.  Let's put the best
>> feature
>> >>of
>> >> >each of them together and get rid of the problems.
>> >> >
>> >> >It wouldn't take more than a couple zippers and some velcro to
>> integrate
>> >>a
>> >> >boom tent to the PTE and make it splendid.  OK, so you have to spend
>> two
>> >> >grand for the whole thing.  Anybody complaining?  In theory, I
>> wouldn't
>> >> >hesitate to sell my stand-alone BR for what I've got in it ($500) and
>> >>turn
>> >> >around and spend a G on something else that's new and
>> perfect.  Something
>> >> >that can be set up by two drunk chicks in the dark!
>> >> >
>> >> >Slim
>> >> >
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