[Rhodes22-list] To DAVE about Virginia and in reply

[stan]

With our two of our three greatest debating team members having trouble with 
the semantics of Nixon and Bush giving money to the oil industry, let's call 
it :"not thought through incentives" and move on to global warming.

ss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] To DAVE about Virginia and in reply


> Frone,
>
> For a moment I thought you might be talking about the previous
> administration.  You know, the one that bombed Iraq for four days to
> eliminate factories that could produce WMD.  The same one that bombed 
> Kosovo
> without UN approval or even with permission from Congress.
>
> Now as to welfare for agri-business, timber, and big oil, we'll find some
> points of agreement.  Go to the link in my previous post.  These ag
> subsidies started during the FDR administration and never went away. 
> Every
> president since has winked at them because the first test is Iowa.  Please
> enlighten me on subsidies to big oil.  I lost 10K on a gas well last year
> and other than the tax writeoff, failed to see any big subsidies.  I'm
> listening.
>
> The Democrats are in a great position to take control of  one or both 
> houses
> provided they can demonstrate some responsibility.  Start with telling the
> moonbat left to shove-off, dicipline their members who assault Capitol
> police, and suggest that their elected members put their money in a bank,
> not a freezer.
>
> A lot of right leaning people are unhappy now.  Opposition will have to 
> show
> they have some new ideas and not just suffering from Deranged Bush 
> Syndrome.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> On 6/30/06, FCrawford0707 at aol.com <FCrawford0707 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/30/2006 8:47:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> 3drecon at comcast.net writes:
>>
>> Frankly, I see the Democrats relying on Big Government and  growing it;
>> however, having said that, the Republicans, in recent years have  changed
>> course to
>> appease the liberals (who will not vote for them, no matter  what) and
>> have
>> their own brand of government growth.  I am a  Libertarian.  The
>> Republicans
>> are the only electable party that come  closest to that philiosophy for
>> now, so
>> I identify with them.  The  interesting thing is the Founding Fathers
>> would
>> have been considered  liberals!
>>
>>
>>
>> Philip - I am interested in your conclusion that as a Libertarian, you 
>> are
>> somehow comfortable with the Republicans.  I find the incessant drive
>> by  the
>> Republicans to limit personal rights and invade our private acts
>> and  thoughts
>> to be at odds with my own Libertarian leanings.  The abuse of  power by
>> the
>> present administration is frightening - a propaganda machine  leading us
>> to
>> pre-emptive war, welfare for the agri / timber / oil companies,  selling
>> off our
>> resources to pay the unconscionable deficits, not to mention
>> the  corruption
>> and incompetence.  I am not a strict Libertarian, in that I feel  there
>> are
>> roles best filled by government - for example, dredging and  maintaining
>> the ICW.
>> There was a great idea thirty years ago that, if  followed, would perhaps
>> have put our society in a happier and less contentious  frame than we are
>> going
>> thru now - that of the negative income tax, in place of  all the myriad 
>> of
>> government administered support programs that don't really  serve the
>> constituency
>> intended, and which produce a whole lot of waste.   With a negative 
>> income
>> tax, the neediest are supported without the cost and  waste of
>> bureaucratic
>> infrastructure.  No one makes out better financially  by not working, so
>> the
>> "welfare syndrome" is not present.
>>     Frone Crawford
>>     s/v Sunday Morning
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