[Rhodes22-list] Emergency at Sea, was Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. . . )

3drecon at comcast.net 3drecon at comcast.net
Thu Sep 28 19:38:00 EDT 2006


Slim,
     Depending upon your point of view, that IS and emergency!  When I smoked it certainly would have been and if I ran out of Scotch, Uggh, I shudder to think. . .

Philip


-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com> 

> Philip, 
> 
> That reminds me of an incident that happened to my friend and boat partner, 
> Judi, who was cruising in the middle of the Atlantic when they ran out of 
> cigs and booze. They hailed a British merchant vessel and asked if they 
> could sell them some. The Brits said if it were a real emergency they'd be 
> happy to help, but cigs and booze? Forget it--we're not changing coarse and 
> spending extra fuel on that! Next they hailed a German vessel--same 
> response. After some despair, they finally raised a Brazilian ship: "Oh my 
> god! We'll be right there!" 8-) True story. 
> 
> You might be a TRUE BRAZILIAN if... 
> 
> Slim 
> 
> On 9/28/06 12:19 PM, "3drecon at comcast.net" <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote: 
> 
> > Slim, 
> > That was forty years ago. Even then, anyone who persevered could do very 
> > well for themselves. Some had it harder than others but the objective of the 
> > Selma protests and the sacrifices of people like ML King were to remove the 
> > obsticle of institutional predjudice. What law in what state or federal 
> > statute stands in the way of any one race for them to achieve what they want 
> > in this country? 
> > Is there no predjudice at all? As long as there are differences in the 
> > world, there will be predjudice. We discriminate in what we eat, who we know, 
> > what we like and don't like. It becomes odious when we use it to deny people 
> > an equal chance. We also hurt ourselves. If I don't like a particular race, 
> > and I don't hire him or I don't want to befriend him, I am the poorer for it. 
> > He might be the one who saves me money, saves my life or gives me a good tip 
> > on care and maintenence of my Rhodes22. If you don't learn this anywhere, you 
> > certainly learn it in the military. If I am at sea and I need assistance, I 
> > don't give a damn what the race of the individual is who helps and I will help 
> > any too. In the military we are all "green". I guess at sea, we are all 
> > "wet"? 
> > Philip 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: Slim 
> > 
> >> Philip, 
> >> 
> >> You and Herb can certainly stand tall and be proud of your accomplishments 
> >> in the face of adversity and challenge. But when you say: 
> >>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities. 
> >> something sticks in my craw. Do you remember the civil rights struggle in 
> >> the 60s? Find a man from Selma, Ala and ask him if he thinks he was given 
> >> ample opportunity then and if it's much better now. 
> >> 
> >> Slim 
> >> 
> >> On 9/28/06 8:22 AM, "3drecon at comcast.net" <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Herb, 
> >>> I am sort of white, Mediteranian. My parents divorced when I was 10. My 
> >>> dad, though kind at heart, was not very responsible and did only what the 
> >>> court ordered him to do (never missed a payment) but there were no fishing 
> >>> trips, camping or anythnng like that. 
> >>> My younger brother got his Eagle Scout without any family adult 
> >>> participation and is on schedule to retire at 52 years old (and I mean 
> >>> retire). He, like I have always worked at least two jobs (unless I was on 
> >>> active duty; officers are generally prohibited from moonlighting). We put 
> >>> ourselves through college working the whole time. I am in the Army (again) 
> >>> until I retire, then back to the civilian job. I started out as a PVT 1 in 
> >>> the USMC and am now a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army. None of this would 
> >>> have 
> >>> been possible without an education. An education I paid for working, student 
> >>> loans (which I paid back in full) and Vietnam era GI Bill. My brother didn't 
> >>> have the GI bill but still paid for his education himself. 
> >>> My mother worked her ass off to keep us in clothes, under a roof (her 
> >>> house) and fed while finishing her B.S. 
> >>> You make your own luck (when opportunity meets preparedness). Make your 
> >>> choices and play it out. 
> >>> I am now helping my older son through the American Academy of Dramatic Arts 
> >>> (he has been offered a part in Pirates of the Carribean III). My younger son 
> >>> is in private school. 
> >>> 
> >>> Philip 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> >>> From: "Herb Parsons" 
> >>> 
> >>>> Phillip, 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Interesting the diversity of responses Slim's cynical viewpoint 
> >>>> generated. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> My mother never finished high school. We were what most would call 
> >>>> "poor white trash", moving all over the country depending on who her 
> >>>> husband was. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> She finally bought a house about 2 years after my wife and I got 
> >>>> married (12 years ago). 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I did a bit better. Make about 90k a year, and even though i was an 
> >>>> adult before I bought my first house, it was before my kids were grown. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> My first married daughter and her fiancé bought their house 3 months 
> >>>> before their wedding. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'm sure though, that it has little to do with working hard to improve 
> >>>> your lot, and that of your children's, and more to do with living in a 
> >>>> white man's world. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Yeah, sure of it... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Herb Parsons 
> >>>> 
> >>>> S/V O'Jure 
> >>>> 1976 O'Day 25 
> >>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX 
> >>>> 
> >>>> S/V Reve de Papa 
> >>>> 1971 Coronado 35 
> >>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast 
> >>>> 
> >>>>>>> 3drecon at comcast.net 9/27/2006 4:09:30 pm >>> 
> >>>> Slim, 
> >>>> Your comments are about as extremist as they come. Life isn't a 
> >>>> level playing field. We all have our hurdles and it is up to each of us 
> >>>> to cross them. The promise of this country isn't equal outcome, rather, 
> >>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Philip 
> >>>> Son of immigrants who speak foreign languages (and English) but did 
> >>>> alright anyway! 
> >>>> 
> >>>> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> >>>> From: Slim 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> I'm sorry if anybody is offended by any more measure than I was at 
> >>>> the first 
> >>>>> list that Elle posted. Truly, I'm a moderate, not an extremist, but 
> >>>>> extremist rhetoric from others brings out the beast in me. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> That said, white man's guilt or not, you have to admit there are two 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Americas--one for white men and one for everybody else. Not exactly a 
> >>>> level 
> >>>>> playing field. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Slim 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On 9/27/06 3:15 PM, "Brad Haslett" wrote: 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> Slim, 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I understand the reasoning behind some of your points. That doesn't 
> >>>> mean I 
> >>>>>> agree with reasoning, or the points, I just understand the mindset. 
> >>>> One area 
> >>>>>> where we most vehemently disagree is the white Anglo comment. I 
> >>>> didn't 
> >>>>>> choose to be born white, male, or the son of a frequently 
> >>>> unemployed 
> >>>>>> construction worker. That was fate, or whatever. I don't owe my 
> >>>> success, 
> >>>>>> however modest, to pigmentation or the lack of it. In other words, 
> >>>> if you 
> >>>>>> must suffer from white man's guilt, do so, but don't project it on 
> >>>> me or 
> >>>>>> anyone else. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> As to the flag, I can wait to sing the National Anthem at the top 
> >>>> of my 
> >>>>>> lungs in Beijing in two years with my daughter singing along and my 
> >>>> wife 
> >>>>>> holding her hand over her heart. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Brad 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On 9/27/06, Slim wrote: 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Yeah, OK, I'd like to add a few too: 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you continue to support the 
> >>>> administration 
> >>>>>>> no matter how many lies are crammed down our throats. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you go to church every Sunday and 
> >>>> pray for 
> >>>>>>> the destruction of others in the name of God. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think all languages except 
> >>>> English 
> >>>>>>> should be banned within our borders. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you're a white Anglo. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think only TRUE AMERICANS 
> >>>> adhere to 
> >>>>>>> this 
> >>>>>>> list!! 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On 9/27/06 8:00 AM, "Hank" wrote: 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Great email, Elle. I'd only suugest one edit. Add "Remove your 
> >>>> hat" to 
> >>>>>>> the 
> >>>>>>>> part about the National Anthem. That's always been a pet peeve of 
> >>>> mine 
> >>>>>>> to 
> >>>>>>>> see folks at a ball game not take off their hat. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> On 9/27/06, L. Sailor wrote: 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Came across my email this AM. Makes one think about 
> >>>>>>>>> how those in the middle politically are being 
> >>>>>>>>> bullied by the ends of the spectrum. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> elle 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> It is time to change from REDNECK humor to TRUE 
> >>>>>>>>> AMERICAN Humor! Only I don't see it as Humor, but the 
> >>>>>>>>> correct way to LIVE YOUR LIFE ! If you feel the same, 
> >>>>>>>>> pass this on to your True American friends. Ya'll 
> >>>>>>>>> know who ya' are... 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to 
> >>>>>>>>> you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under 
> >>>>>>>>> God." 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never 
> >>>>>>>>> protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in 
> >>>>>>>>> public places. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say 
> >>>>>>>>> "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival." 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head 
> >>>>>>>>> when someone 
> >>>>>>>>> prays. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place 
> >>>>>>>>> your hand over your heart when they play the National 
> >>>>>>>>> Anthem. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam 
> >>>>>>>>> vets with great respect, and alw ays have. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned 
> >>>>>>>>> an American flag. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you 
> >>>>>>>>> believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter 
> >>>>>>>>> who is listening. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your 
> >>>>>>>>> elders and expect your kids to do the same. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last 
> >>>>>>>>> dollar to a friend. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> If you got this email from me, it is because I believe 
> >>>>>>>>> that you, like me, have just enough TRUE AMERICAN in 
> >>>>>>>>> you to have the same beliefs as those talked about in 
> >>>>>>>>> this email. This is Excellent, No Matter what you 
> >>>>>>>>> deem fit to call it. It is our Country, It is our way 
> >>>>>>>>> of LIFE, and I love it. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> God Bless the U S A ! Git 'er done!!!!!!!!!!!! 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
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