[Rhodes22-list] Politics: How 'Bout That Bill Effros?

TN Rhodey tnrhodey at gmail.com
Wed Dec 31 08:25:31 EST 2008 

Mr. Burris sure sounded good in the 2 interviews I saw. Blago is
crafty.....Burris ran against Blago and looks like an out standing choice.

Wally
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Give Blago credit, he is crafty.  I like this guy Burris already, he
> sure looks good on paper.  Burris grew up in Centralia, about 30 miles
> where I did and graduated from SIU, my first college. Based on his age
> and the times, you can't say he didn't earn everything he achieved.
> He's no affirmative action candidate for sure.  I know my parents will
> be happy to have someone with downstate roots as their Senator.  But
> again, what a crafty move on Blago's part.  It would be totally unfair
> to Mr. Burns to deny him a seat in the US Senate.
>
> Brad
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > Wally,
> >
> > Did you notice that Blagojevich just selected someone to serve as
> > Senator from the State of Illinois?
> >
> > The person is black, a Democrat, qualified, and in no way connected (as
> > far as we know) to the issue of "selling Obama's Senate seat."
> >
> > However, the Democrats have backed themselves into a corner of
> > Fitzpatrick's making.  They have called Blagojevich (the duly twice
> > elected, un-indicted, Governor of the State of Illinois) a liar, and a
> > crook--and they have said they will not honor any of his legally
> > performed duties based on their decision that whatever it is Fitzpatrick
> > has charged, (and the wiretaps he has illegally disclosed) are as good
> > as convictions as far as they are concerned.  IN THIS CASE (please read
> > the words carefully) the accusation is as good as a conviction.
> >
> > Both Mr. Obama and Mr. Blogojevich were named as un-indicted co-schemers
> > IN THIS CASE.  Mr. Fitzpatrick has charged that both participated in a
> > giant "pay to play" scheme in the State of Illinois, and he warned the
> > whole nation that "The defendants and their associates put the word out
> > loud and clear: YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY IN ILLINOIS."
> >
> > Mr. Obama is one of the named defendants IN THIS CASE.  The FBI had him
> > under surveillance even before he became a Senator.  They produced
> > photographs of Obama attending meetings he said never happened.
> > Informants described bribes paid to Obama, and the FBI tracked the
> > payments right into Obama's bank accounts--the same way they tracked
> > Eliot Spitzer's prostitute payments.
> >
> > What will the Democrats say about Mr. Obama's decisions when he is drawn
> > into this case?  Just another "bone-headed play?"
> >
> > What will you say?
> >
> > When Mr. Fitzpatrick called Mr. Blagojevich a liar and crook last May, I
> > believed him.  When Mr. Fitzpatrick said Mr. Obama was also a liar and a
> > crook I believed him also.
> >
> > Do you believe Fitzpatrick?  Or not?
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> > TN Rhodey wrote:
> >> Bill,Get a freaking clue and get off your high horse. Take your own
> advice
> >> and be careful. I have not called anybody a racist. I did not even vote
> for
> >> Obama. Do you think I am calling my self a racist? Your assumptions
> about me
> >> are based on your own ignorance and bias. Play the race card with some
> one
> >> who gives a shit. Do you just make stuff up as you go?
> >>
> >> I gathered from your dozens (hundreds) of anti O post you hated him. You
> >> have called him a liar, crook and a racist. So now you claim you do not
> hate
> >> him. Ok if you say so. I guess you are showing tough love. Frankly I
> don't
> >> care. I didn't vote for O.
> >>
> >>  Pat B has some good ideas and plenty of bad ones. . Mostly I think his
> >> international views are idiotic. I am sure he has a decent IQ.
> >>
> >>  Every time you bring race up it makes me wonder why.  So ask your self
> why
> >> you responded to MY post with your race implications? Who is guilty of
> >> making assumptions? Frankly Bill your response to me was way off base.
> Race
> >> didn't have anything to do with any of my post.You are confused  and
>  also
> >> an idiot  if you think other wise.Were you confused?
> >>
> >> Oh yeah.....I don't think Israel is over reacting.
> >>
> >> Wally
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Wally,
> >>>
> >>> Be careful of falling into propaganda stereotypes.  First, anyone who
> >>> disagreed with Obama's candidacy was a racist.  Now, it has become
> >>> "obvious you hate".
> >>>
> >>> I don't "hate" Mr. Obama, so my personal feelings toward him are, by
> >>> definition, not obvious.
> >>>
> >>> Brad, and I, and countless others--including many Obama supporters at
> >>> the highest levels--warned the Obama transition team not to permit the
> >>> perception of a policy vacuum to encourage world-wide complication of
> >>> United States foreign policy objectives.  Mr. Obama had no compunctions
> >>> about stating his views on foreign policy prior to his election--in
> fact
> >>> he ran on the platform of repudiating Mr. Bush's foreign policy, and
> >>> telling the whole world he would reverse that policy in virtually every
> >>> area--including Israel.
> >>>
> >>> Mr. Obama has repeatedly violated his "one president at a time" mantra
> >>> when it suits him, most obviously in the domestic economic policy
> >>> sphere, where he is dictating the bills he wants on his desk the moment
> >>> he is inaugurated.
> >>>
> >>> I disagree with Mr. Buchanan on many many things, but an "idiot" he is
> >>> not.  He is smart, principled, consistent, and a much better scholar of
> >>> American history than I, and most other Americans.
> >>>
> >>> I do now, and have long agreed with his consistent position that
> >>> supporting Israeli attacks on civilian populations comports with
> neither
> >>> our goals nor our values.
> >>>
> >>> Obama's silence on this matter at this time will hurt him and us
> >>> strategically and morally.  We have allowed Israeli politics to trump
> >>> our own national interests.  One could easily interpret Team Obama's
> >>> silence in the same way we interpreted Team Bush's silence on the
> >>> aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
> >>>
> >>> Lives are being lost right now.  Good will is being flushed down the
> >>> toilet.  The voices of peace and reconciliation are being drowned out
> >>> both by the belligerence of those on the right, and the silence of
> those
> >>> on the left.
> >>>
> >>> Winning elections is not supposed to be the end of imposing your values
> >>> on the political sphere, it is supposed to be the beginning.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Effros
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> TN Rhodey wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bill, I suppose he could say that but shouldn't Bush speak for the US?
> I
> >>>>
> >>> am
> >>>
> >>>> not sure if I agree with Pat. Bush's mouth piece has come out in
> support
> >>>>
> >>> of
> >>>
> >>>> the action. For Obama to come out against would be counter productive.
> It
> >>>>
> >>> is
> >>>
> >>>> obvious you hate O. Your advice seems foolish. I would advise him the
> >>>>
> >>> exact
> >>>
> >>>> opposite.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think Pat B is an idiot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wally
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Wally,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is what Pat Buchanan has to say on this issue:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "While the United States must support Israel's right to defend her
> towns
> >>>>> and to strike bases from which Israelis are being attacked, Obama
> should
> >>>>> denounce the collective punishment of 1.5 million Palestinians in
> Gaza,
> >>>>> by Israel's cutting off their electricity in the dead of winter and
> >>>>> denying them the food and medicine many need to survive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For us to remain silent in the face of this comports neither with our
> >>>>> interests or our values. Israel's policy of withholding from the weak
> >>>>> and innocent of Gaza, women and children, the necessities of life, to
> >>>>> punish the guilty who rule at the point of a gun, is a policy that
> Obama
> >>>>> should declare the United States will no longer support with tax
> >>>>>
> >>> dollars."
> >>>
> >>>>> To paraphrase another part of the same article, "Obama can't just sit
> >>>>> mute at the table like the 'dummy' in a game of bridge."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bill Effros
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TN Rhodey wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Bill, What should Obama be doing? Should he fly to Crawford and join
> >>>>>>
> >>> Bush
> >>>
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> vacation? Perhaps go Grouse hunting with Dick C.? Heck what should
> Bush
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> do?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The only control we have over Israel is money. They will do as they
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> please.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If Hanas attacks they will respond. Rightly so. It would be hard fo
> use
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> be critical of this considering our attack on Iraq.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think Israel is itching to fight and if Hamas continues to provoke
> >>>>>>
> >>> they
> >>>
> >>>>>> will get pounded even worse. The last Isreali ops in Lebanon did not
> >>>>>>
> >>> have
> >>>
> >>>>>> the normal kick ass results.  I think both Hamas and Hezbollah were
> >>>>>> emboldened by the poor Israeli tactics.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I suspect Israel will take care of any nuke plants in Iran long
> before
> >>>>>>
> >>> we
> >>>
> >>>>>> feel the urge.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you see it different?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wally
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ed,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 150 people who were alive yesterday morning are dead this morning
> >>>>>>> because Israel massively attacked Gaza.  That includes women and
> >>>>>>> children because the Israeli's attacked targets at a time that
> ensured
> >>>>>>> civilian casualties.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They attacked when no one in this country was on the job.  Right
> now
> >>>>>>>
> >>> we
> >>>
> >>>>>>> have no President at all.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Obama is on both sides of this issue--where are you?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tootle wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bill:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> He is not President of USA yet.  You want him stirring the pot
> like
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Captain
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rummy?  He said that there is only one President at a time.  Calm
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> down,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> enjoy the holidays.  While the liquor stores are still open go get
> a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> bottle
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> of Mt. Gay Rum.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ed K
> >>>>>>>> addendum from where there is a lot of snow:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Think of yourself as on the threshold of unparalleded sucess.  A
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> whole,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> clear, glorious life lies before you.  Achieve! Achieve! - Andrew
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Carnegie
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (borrowed from from the cover of the Pennsylvania Travel Guide.)(
> I
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> have expected some of the native Pennsylvanians on this forum to
> have
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> quoted
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> that.  Where is Ben C, Frone, John S., et al????)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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