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Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Sat Feb 9 19:20:30 EST 2008


This is another prime example of the ignorance of the situation, and I 
don't mean that disrespectfully. The unused mobile homes was not a 
national failure, they were not used because local ordinances forbid 
their use. Only smaller temporary trailers could be used (because of 
local ordinances). Much like the warnings given by the feds, localities 
cannot be forced to use common sense.

R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> Brad,
> I'm not going to get into a point for point debate with you over the  
> governments handling of the Katrina disaster because you obviously are wearing  rose 
> colored glasses. Most people that I know and I'm sure many on this list  would 
> agree with me that it was a botched job from the get go. The cost to the  
> American public probably will never be known. Need I remind you of the hundreds  
> of trucks filled with ice that never made it to the people that really needed  
> it. Or perhaps the thousands of mobile homes that were never used?
> The entire operation was a joke. I'm not blaming the military or the local  
> police, but the buck stops at the presidents desk and this man isn't qualified  
> to handle anything. He's a joke as far as presidents go. Probably will go 
> down  in history as being so also. It will take decades to undo the harm this  
> administration has done  to our economy and international relations. Most  
> Republicans that I know are ashamed that they voted for this man and they should  
> be.
>  
>  
> Rummy
>  
>  
> In a message dated 2/9/2008 9:32:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> I'm running a bit short on time but I've got just enough  time to answer your
> question, YES!  Bush 43 spoke with both Blanco and  Nagin two days in advance
> and explained that his advisers strongly  suggested evacuating NOLA.  NOLA
> had a plan on the shelf, a plan  sponsored and paid for with federal funds
> and tested a year prior.  It  remained on the shelf.  After the levees
> failed, our armed forces were  all over NOLA because they were poised for
> just such an event.  The  massive movement of temporary housing to the Gulf
> area immediately after  Katrina was a sight to behold.  I-57 and I-55 was
> clogged with RVs  being towed South.  The National Guard was everywhere
> maintaining  civil order (as opposed to now - NOLA has had 21 murders since
> Jan 1 and  this is only Feb 9).  The collection of "big yellow equipment"  to
> clear roads, organized and paid for by the federal government, was  the
> single largest collection of construction equipment I've ever witnessed  or
> probably ever will again.  Given the size and scope of the event, I  think
> the feds did the best anyone could ask for under the  circumstances.  The
> NOLA local government completely broke down,  before, during, and after
> Katrina.  Over on the Mississippi side  (where Katrina actually hit), the
> state and local governments performed  admirably.  Here's the bottom line
> Rummy - if you live on a coastal  area, 6 feet below sea level, and a CAT 5
> hurricane is bearing down on you,  you get the hell out of town.  Katrina did
> NOLA a favor by convincing  all sane and rational people to evacuate on their
> own.  The levee  system was a disaster waiting to happen after 100 years of
> poor engineering  and local corruption.  Had they failed while the city was
> fully  populated the death toll would have been in the tens of thousands.
>
> I'll  be happy to argue this issue to your hearts content when I have time.
> You  will lose.  Better yet, come visit me on the coast and I'll give you  a
> tour.  One look around is worth more than a thousand  newspapers.
>
> Brad
>
> On Feb 9, 2008 8:09 AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Brad,
>> Let me see if I  understand your position. You are saying that our
>>   government
>> did an outstanding job in their effort to help the people  after  Katrina?
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a  message dated 2/9/2008 8:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>  flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Contrary  to popular belief  because of MSM spin, our armed forces were all
>> over NOLA  after  Katrina.  The National Guard had headquarters set-up on
>>   the
>> fourth floor of the SuperDome parking garage.  One of  my  co-workers, an
>> Air
>> Force reservist, personally flew  the mission to move a  temporary hospital
>> to
>> the  Mississippi Gulf Coast the very next day, as soon  as the weather
>>  cleared.  Another co-worker, a Marine, evacuated his  reserve  units
>> helicopters to Dallas and returned to NOLA immediately  after  the storm.
>>  The
>> US Coast Guard flew thousands  of rescue missions.The  Navy had ships off
>> the
>> coast that  delivered water via helicopter. When my  company arrived on the
>>  MS
>> coast, the National Guard kept the beach area  secure for  months. I say to
>> any city who doesn't welcome our armed forces -   fend for yourselves
>> during
>> the next natural disaster.   Toledo, you're  next!
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>  --------------------
>>
>> Article published  February 9,  2008
>>
>> Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
>> He says  urban  exercises scare people
>> [image:   Photo]
>>
>>  
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>>  Staff  Sgt. Andre Davis talks to his commanding officer as he leaves  the
>> Madison  Building after Mayor Carty Finkbeiner requested that  the Marines
>> leave the  downtown location.
>> ( THE  BLADE/JEREMY WADSWORTH )
>>
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>>  Photo
>> Reprints   <http://www.toledoblade.com/printroom>
>>
>> By JC  REINDL  <jcreindl at theblade.com>
>> BLADE STAFF  WRITER
>>
>> A company of Marine  Corps Reservists received a  cold send-off from
>> downtown
>> Toledo yesterday by  order of  Mayor Carty Finkbeiner. The 200 members of
>> Company A, 1st   Battalion, 24th Marines, based in Grand Rapids, Mich.,
>> planned to  spend  their weekend engaged in urban patrol exercises on the
>>  streets of downtown  as well as inside the mostly vacant Madison  Building,
>> 607 Madison Ave.  Toledo police knew days in advance  about their plans for
>> a
>> three-day  exercise. Yet somehow  the memo never made it to Mayor
>> Finkbeiner,
>> who  ordered  the Marines out yesterday afternoon just minutes before their
>>  buses  were to arrive. "The mayor asked them to leave because  they
>>  frighten
>> people," said Brian Schwartz, the mayor's  spokesman. "He did not  want
>> them
>> practicing and drilling  in a highly visible area." So after a  brief stop
>> at
>> a  friendly base in Perrysburg Township, the Marines by early  evening  were
>> back on their way home to Grand Rapids. "I wish they would   have told us
>> this
>> four hours ago," Staff Sgt. Andre Davis  said. Sergeant  Davis, who
>> traveled
>> ahead of the five-bus  convoy, stepped from his vehicle  into downtown
>> about
>>  3:20 p.m. and was told by a city employee that the  mayor wanted him  and
>> his
>> soldiers packed up and out by 6 p.m. Members of   the 1st Battalion, 24th
>> Marines have trained periodically in  downtown  Toledo since at least 2004
>> and
>> most recently in  May, 2006. Past exercises  have involved mock gun fights,
>>  ambushes, and the firing of blank  ammunition. The Marines' buses set  a
>> course for their battalion's Weapons  Company headquarters in  Perrysburg
>> Township as soon as they heard of the  mayor's  decision. The Reservists'
>> visit was no surprise to Toledo  police,  who Tuesday issued a news release
>> to
>> media  outlets on behalf of the Marines  that asked Toledoans not to be
>>  startled by the sight of camouflaged  soldiers toting M16 rifles.  Police
>> officers were awaiting the Marines'  arrival yesterday  afternoon and had
>> set
>> up a roadblock at Madison Avenue   and Huron Street. "There was apparently
>> a
>> break in  communication somewhere  between the mayor and the police
>>  department," Mr. Schwartz said. "Where  that break was, we don't  know
>> yet."
>> Maj.
>> Jeffrey O'Neill, the company's   commanding officer, said he was
>> disappointed
>> by how events  played out  yesterday, especially because Toledo had been a
>>  gracious host for Marine  exercises in the past. "You can go to  military
>> ranges for live fire  [exercises], but there's no way to  duplicate the
>> urban
>> jungle unless you  actually train  inside a city," Major O'Neill said. Mr.
>> Schwartz said the   Marines declined Mayor Finkbeiner's alternative offer
>> for
>> them  to practice  their urban patrol tactics inside the former Jones
>>  Junior
>> High School, 550  Walbridge Ave. Major O'Neill said he was  not aware of
>> such
>> an offer. A pair  of Marines spent the  better part of yesterday setting up
>> the Madison  Building with  generators, heaters, radios, and food to become
>> the unit's   overnight headquarters. After receiving the mayor's request to
>> leave,  they  began the task of moving the equipment back into an armored
>>  Humvee. Lance  Cpl. Brandon Bukrey-McCarty, 22, recalled taking part  in
>> the
>> company's 2006  urban patrol exercise in downtown  Toledo. He said he
>> learned
>> skills during  that exercise  that proved useful during the unit's
>> deployment
>> to  Fallujah,  Iraq, in 2006-2007. "It was extremely helpful,"  Corporal
>> Bukrey-McCarty  said. The training "got me used to  looking up on rooftops,
>> looking around  every alley, every open  door." Sergeant Davis and other
>> company leaders  estimated the  total cost of the aborted training
>> exercise,
>> including   travel, at roughly $10,000. Before he left downtown for
>>   Perrysburg
>> Township, Major O'Neill said he was not sure what type  of  training, if
>> any,
>> his unit could undertake without  access to downtown  Toledo. "But we're
>> Marines," Major O'Neill  said. "We'll adapt and  overcome."
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