[Rhodes22-list] Foam for outside cushions

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 10 19:06:30 EST 2008


I had Bottomsiders and concur with Jerry...I did not care for the feel in warm weather. Closed cell foam w/the Pfifertx covering is much more comfortable.

elle

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Mon, 11/10/08, cjlowe at sssnet.com <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:

> From: cjlowe at sssnet.com <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Foam for outside cushions
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 6:44 PM
> We took a couple for a test sail 2 years ago,who had a
> Potter 19 that had
> bottom sider cushions.They commented on how much better
> they liked
> Stan's cushions,which were several years old.(came with
> the boat,when I
> bought it used)They said they didn't like the way bare
> skin sweated
> when sitting on the bottom siders.Never tried them
> myself,just something
> you might not think to consider.
> Jerry Lowe
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/10/2008, "Michael D. Weisner"
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> >Carol,
> >
> >We are looking at replacing our cushions and really
> like the ones at:
> >http://www.bottomsiders.com/, although we are not sure
> that they cost less
> >than the current value of our R22.  You might want to
> ask for a quote.
> >
> >In the make it yourself category, you may find what you
> want at one of these
> >sites:
> >http://www.foamorder.com/closedcell.html (look at the
> Flo-Tex)
> >http://www.closedcellfoams.com/minicel.html (look at
> the Minicell)
> >http://www.marinefoam.com/closedcellacousticalfoam.html?page_type=flotation-foams
> >(look at the Ultra Foam)
> >https://www.outdoortextiles.com/browse.php?CatID=11&SubCatID=66&page=1
> >(they also have Minicell)
> >
> >Some of these companies ship free (I know, you're
> paying for it somewhere.)
> >
> >Lots to look at and think about.  Let us know if you
> find a reasonable
> >solution.
> >
> >Mike
> >s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> >From: <CarolN8 at aol.com> Sent: Monday, November
> 10, 2008 5:03 PM
> >>I need to replace the cockpit cushions and Stan
> said I needed to make sure
> >>I
> >> used closed cell foam. So does anyone know where
> to find closed cell foam
> >> in
> >> my local area? Is there a certain type of store
> that carries it?
> >>
> >> Carol
> >>
> >>
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> Mountain Standard Time,
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> >>
> >> Message:  1
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:53:28 -0600
> >> From: Herb Parsons  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes 
> and those who reason only
> >> ...
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List 
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID: 
> <49184AE8.4070307 at parsonsys.com>
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> format=flowed
> >>
> >> Thanks John, there are lots of us  around.
> >>
> >> Then there are folks who want to deride people
> because of their  beliefs,
> >> political views etc. You took a polite discussion
> about eminent  domain
> >> and turned it an accusation against Brad and I
> about "final  solutions".
> >>
> >> Maybe you and Slim SHOULD get together. You seem
> to have  many
> >> similarities, and he's looking for someone to
> do weird stuff to his  ass.
> >>
> >>
> >> John Shulick wrote:
> >>> Steven,
> >>>
> >>> As a  fellow alum from Duquesne Univ. I thank
> you for your support. Over
> >>> the
> >>>  last 30 or so years I was a church soloist
> and section leader for just
> >> about
> >>> every major faith and I've seen many Herbs
> and some spices as
> >>> well.(sorry
> >>> couldn't resist)
> >>>
> >>> John  Shulick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Herb,
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you have any idea how much you  sound
> like you're talking out your
> >>>> ass?
> >>>> Do you really want to put  up your 1099 to
> show off what you've donated
> >>>> to
> >>>>  charity?   You're such a bore. 
> I'm going to guess that maybe  you
> >>>> tithe a
> >>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church
> because they  tell you to--out of
> >>>> false compassion.  And the money goes to 
> your church--not anything
> >>>> real.
> >>>> Or
> >>>> at best a small  percentage.  I know you
> donate your time riding your
> >>>>  motorcycle around for stuff but is that
> actually giving?  You're  a
> >>>> cheerleader.  Great.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for the  Native Americans you don't
> seem to have a grasp on history.
> >>>>  Just
> >>>> because the Injuns didn't have a
> concept of land ownership or  fences
> >>>> doesn't
> >>>> mean the white man didn't take it away
>  from them.  You're an idiot.
> >>>> The
> >>>> Indians were living in  the stone-age and
> were decimated by the white
> >>>> man
> >>>> out
> >>>>  of greed and arrogance.  There was no
> need for that.  To say that  they
> >>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely
> usurps all that  compassion and
> >>>> charity that you espouse.  You're full
> of  shit!  I was born on the
> >>>> Sissiton
> >>>> reservation in  South Dakota and you can
> kiss my ass!
> >>>>
> >>>>  Slim
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John
> Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> "John,"
> >>>>> (at least you are capable of starting 
> a post properly by addressing me
> >>>>> by
> >>>>> name. I assumed you were  ignorant at
> first but now I see you're simply
> >>>>>  rude.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Go screw yourself."
> >>>>>  (Sorry to old to bend that way
> anymore perhaps you could send a pic
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> how
> >>>>> you accomplish it  yourself.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I've never offered anything
> like a  ""final solution"".
> >>>>> You're reference reveals you for
> what you  are."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (you have no clue as to who or what I 
> am)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As far as me "detesting"
> anyone, you again  speak from total ignorance.
> >>>>> I'll make a deal with you though, 
> I'll make my tax returns for the
> >>>>> last
> >>>>> 10 years public on here  to show how
> much I've given to charity if
> >>>>> you'll
> >>>>> do the  same.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (Do you recall the parable of the 
> pharisee and the old woman who went
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>  temple to make sacrifice?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You ready to put  up? I doubt it. I
> suspect the size of your mouth is
> >>>>> exceeded  mainly by your ego, and your
> actions are far lacking compared
> >>>>>  to either.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (In the mouth and ego department  its
> no contest you win)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the government  determines a need
> for social charity programs, they
> >>>>> should do  so by purchasing land they
> need. Simple. If it's too
> >>>>>  expensive, buy elsewhere.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (that's what is  happening in this
> instance so what's your  problem)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As to your notion about "stealing
> it  from the original owners", which
> >>>>> land are you talking about? 
> You'll have to be a little more specific.
> >>>>> Some of the Indian  tribes didn't
> ascribe to the notion of "owning
> >>>>> land".
> >>>>> Others  regularly took land from each
> other by armed conflict. So, the
> >>>>>  "theft" was actually their
> normally accepted means of transfer,  they
> >>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger 
> enemy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (like white men with guns and smallpox
>  infested blankets? do the words
> >>>>> "trail of tears" mean
> anything  to you?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  --
> >>>>> View this message in context:
> >>>>>
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
> >>>>>  Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list
> archive at  Nabble.com.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 
> __________________________________________________
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> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Mon, 10  Nov 2008 08:57:28 -0600
> >> From: Herb Parsons  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes 
> and those who reason only
> >> ...
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List 
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID: 
> <49184BD8.3000201 at parsonsys.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> >>
> >> Sorry John, let's just say that your  word for
> it wouldn't be good enough
> >> for me, you do keep records, right? If  we're
> just going to say what the
> >> percentage is, we can say.
> >>
> >> Not  interested in your social security.
> That's not giving, that's the
> >> government taking.
> >>
> >> As to your Wiki entry, thanks for confirming  what
> I was trying to say.
> >> It's good to see you are actually capable of 
> learning. 1830 was a tad
> >> later than the founding father's  period.
> >>
> >>
> >> John Shulick wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "I've got a heck of a  deal for you.
> I'll buy your boat from you
> >>> at the price that I  determine is fair, and
> you can chose to accept it or
> >>> .... oh wait,  that would be your only choice.
> >>>
> >>> You do understand the  implementation of
> eminent domain, right?"
> >>>
> >>> If you came for my  boat I would sink it. If
> you came for my house I
> >>> would
> >>> burn it. If you  came for my land I would
> render it unusable. You could
> >>> have
> >>> it after  you have have hauled my dead body
> off it.
> >>>
> >>> "The only thing you  can do to a free man
> is kill him." Robert A.
> >>> Heinlein
> >>>
> >>> "You  need to study history a little
> closer. The trail of tears happened
> >>>  LONG after the founding fathers did their
> thing, you can't blame that
> >>>  one on them."
> >>>
> >>> Excerpt from the Wikipedia
> >>>
> >>> The  Trail of Tears was the forced relocation
> of Native Americans from
> >> their
> >>> homelands to Indian Territory (present day
> Oklahoma) in the  Western
> >>> United
> >>> States. The phrase originated from a
> description of the  removal of the
> >>> Choctaw Nation in 1831. Many Native Americans
> suffered  from exposure,
> >>> disease, and starvation while en route to
> their  destinations, and many
> >> died,
> >>> including, for example, 4,000 of the  15,000
> relocated Cherokee.
> >>> Thousands
> >> of
> >>> enslaved and free  African-Americans (as
> slaves accompanying their Native
> >>> American  slaveowners and as former runaway
> slaves that were assisted by,
> >>>  assimilated by, or married to members of the
> tribes) accompanied the
> >> removed
> >>> nations on the Trail of Tears.
> >>> In 1830, the Cherokee,  Chickasaw, Choctaw,
> Muscogee (Creek), and
> >>> Seminole
> >>> (sometimes  collectively referred to as the
> Five Civilized Tribes) were
> >>> living as  autonomous nations in what would be
> called the American Deep
> >>> South.  The process of cultural transformation
> (proposed by GEORGE
> >> WASHINGTON
> >>>  and HENERY KNOX) was gaining momentum,
> especially among the Cherokee
> >>> and
> >>> Choctaw. Indian removal was first proposed by
> THOMAS JEFFERSON.  Andrew
> >>> Jackson was the first U.S. President to
> implement removal with  the
> >>> passage
> >>> of the Indian Removal Act of 1830. In 1831 the
> Choctaw  were the first to
> >>> be
> >>> removed, and they became the model for all
> other  removals. After the
> >>> Choctaw, the Seminole were removed in 1832,
> the  Creek in 1834, then the
> >>> Chickasaw in 1837, and finally the Cherokee in
>  1838.
> >>>
> >>>  "I'll make my tax returns for the
> last
> >>>  10 years public on here to show how much
> I've given to charity  if
> >>> you'll
> >>>  do the same."
> >>>
> >>> To many pages to post,  HOWEVER I'm
> Prepared to release my annual social
> >>> security statement  showing what I've
> earned in my lifetime and will
> >>> write
> >> in
> >>> how many  jobs I had to work to make it along
> with what I gave to
> >>> charity.(Care  to dance?)
> >>>
> >>> John Shulick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Mon, 10  Nov 2008 07:38:07 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: John Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes 
> and those who reason only
> >> ...
> >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <20422255.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> hparsons wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Thanks  John, there are lots of us
> around."
> >>>
> >>> That's why this country  is in such
> trouble
> >>>
> >>> "Then there are folks who want to deride 
> people because of their
> >>> beliefs,
> >>> political views etc. You took a  polite
> discussion about eminent domain
> >>> and turned it an accusation  against Brad and
> I about "final solutions"."
> >>>
> >>> Oh please listen  to the pot calling the
> kettle black. If you don't want
> >>> comment about  your conversations then
> don't post them in a public forum
> >>> such as  this. Use the back channel or private
> e-mails to amuse
> >>> yourselves
> >>> with  your conservative nonsense, please leave
> the rest of us out of it.
> >>>
> >>> "Maybe you and Slim SHOULD get together.
> You seem to have many
> >>> similarities, and he's looking for someone
> to do weird stuff to his
> >>> ass."
> >>>
> >>> I would consider performing with Steven if he
> were so  inclined and the
> >>> time presented itself. the only ass I'm
> concerned  with is the one I'm
> >>> responding to right now.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  John Shulick wrote:
> >>>> Steven,
> >>>>
> >>>> As a fellow  alum from Duquesne Univ. I
> thank you for your support. Over
> >>>>  the
> >>>> last 30 or so years I was a church soloist
> and section leader  for just
> >>>> about
> >>>> every major faith and I've seen many 
> Herbs and some spices as
> >>>> well.(sorry
> >>>> couldn't resist)
> >>>>
> >>>> John  Shulick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Steven Alm  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>  Herb,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you have any idea how much you
> sound  like you're talking out your
> >>>>> ass?
> >>>>> Do you  really want to put up your
> 1099 to show off what you've
> >>>>> donated
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> charity?   You're such a  bore. 
> I'm going to guess that maybe you
> >>>>> tithe
> >>>>>  a
> >>>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church
> because they tell you  to--out
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> false compassion.  And the money goes
> to your  church--not anything
> >>>>> real.
> >>>>> Or
> >>>>> at best a small  percentage.  I know
> you donate your time riding your
> >>>>>  motorcycle around for stuff but is
> that actually giving?  You're  a
> >>>>> cheerleader.  Great.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As  for the Native Americans you
> don't seem to have a grasp on history.
> >>>>> Just
> >>>>> because the Injuns didn't have a
> concept  of land ownership or fences
> >>>>> doesn't
> >>>>> mean the  white man didn't take it
> away from them.  You're an idiot.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>> Indians were living in the stone-age
> and were decimated by  the white
> >>>>> man
> >>>>> out
> >>>>> of greed and  arrogance.  There was no
> need for that.  To say that
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely
> usurps all that  compassion and
> >>>>> charity that you espouse.  You're
> full of  shit!  I was born on the
> >>>>> Sissiton
> >>>>>  reservation in South Dakota and you
> can kiss my  ass!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Slim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John
> Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>  "John,"
> >>>>>> (at least you are capable of
> starting a post  properly by addressing
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>> by
> >>>>>> name. I  assumed you were ignorant
> at first but now I see you're
> >>>>>> simply
> >>>>>> rude.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Go  screw yourself."
> >>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way
> anymore  perhaps you could send a pic
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> how
> >>>>>>  you accomplish it yourself.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "I've  never offered
> anything like a ""final solution"".
> >>>>>> You're  reference reveals you
> for what you  are."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (you have no clue as to who or 
> what I am)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As far as me "detesting"
>  anyone, you again speak from total
> >>>>>> ignorance.
> >>>>>> I'll make a  deal with you
> though, I'll make my tax returns for the
> >>>>>> last
> >>>>>> 10 years public on here to show
> how much I've given  to charity if
> >>>>>> you'll
> >>>>>> do the  same.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (Do you recall the parable of  the
> pharisee and the old woman who went
> >>>>>>  to
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> temple to make  sacrifice?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You ready to put up? I  doubt it.
> I suspect the size of your mouth is
> >>>>>> exceeded  mainly by your ego, and
> your actions are far lacking
> >>>>>> compared
> >>>>>> to  either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (In the mouth and ego  department
> its no contest you win)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If  the government determines a
> need for social charity programs,
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> should do so by purchasing land
> they need. Simple. If  it's too
> >>>>>> expensive, buy  elsewhere.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (that's what is happening  in
> this instance so what's your  problem)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As to your notion about 
> "stealing it from the original owners", which
> >>>>>> land are you  talking about?
> You'll have to be a little more specific.
> >>>>>>  Some of the Indian tribes
> didn't ascribe to the notion of  "owning
> >>>>>> land".
> >>>>>> Others regularly took  land from
> each other by armed conflict. So, the
> >>>>>> "theft"  was actually
> their normally accepted means of transfer,  they
> >>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger
>  enemy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (like white men with guns and 
> smallpox infested blankets? do the
> >>>>>> words
> >>>>>> "trail of tears"  mean
> anything to  you?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  --
> >>>>>> View this message in context:
> >>>>>>
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
> >>>>>>  Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing
> list archive at  Nabble.com.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>> To  subscribe/unsubscribe or for
> help with using the mailing list go
> >>>>>> to
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> >>>>>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> 
> __________________________________________________
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> 
> __________________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20422255.html
> >> Sent  from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at 
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  4
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:50 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: John Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes 
> and those who reason only
> >> ...
> >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <20422391.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> hparsons wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sorry  John, let's just say that your word
> for it wouldn't be good enough
> >>>  for me, you do keep records, right? If
> we're just going to say what the
> >>> percentage is, we can say.
> >>>
> >>> Didn't think you had the  stones to back
> up your BS
> >>>
> >>> "Not interested in your  social security.
> That's not giving, that's the
> >>> government  taking."
> >>>
> >>> Not interested in ever seeing me collect
> social  security would be more
> >>> accurate
> >>>
> >>> "As to your  Wiki entry, thanks for
> confirming what I was trying to say.
> >>> It's good  to see you are actually capable
> of learning. 1830 was a tad
> >>> later  than the founding father's
> period."
> >>>
> >>> Obviously you have  trouble comprehending what
> you read.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John Shulick  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "I've got a heck of a deal for
> you. I'll buy  your boat from you
> >>>> at the price that I determine is fair, and
> you  can chose to accept it
> >>>> or
> >>>> .... oh wait, that would be your only 
> choice.
> >>>>
> >>>> You do understand the implementation of 
> eminent domain, right?"
> >>>>
> >>>> If you came for my boat I  would sink it.
> If you came for my house I
> >>>> would
> >>>> burn it. If you  came for my land I would
> render it unusable. You could
> >>>>  have
> >>>> it after you have have hauled my dead body
> off it.
> >>>>
> >>>> "The only thing you can do to a free
> man is kill  him." Robert A.
> >>>> Heinlein
> >>>>
> >>>> "You need to study history a  little
> closer. The trail of tears happened
> >>>> LONG after the  founding fathers did their
> thing, you can't blame that
> >>>> one on  them."
> >>>>
> >>>> Excerpt from the  Wikipedia
> >>>>
> >>>> The Trail of Tears was the forced
> relocation  of Native Americans from
> >>>> their
> >>>> homelands to Indian  Territory (present
> day Oklahoma) in the Western
> >>>> United
> >>>>  States. The phrase originated from a
> description of the removal of  the
> >>>> Choctaw Nation in 1831. Many Native
> Americans suffered from  exposure,
> >>>> disease, and starvation while en route to
> their  destinations, and many
> >>>> died,
> >>>> including, for example,  4,000 of the
> 15,000 relocated Cherokee.
> >>>> Thousands
> >>>> of
> >>>>  enslaved and free African-Americans (as
> slaves accompanying their
> >>>> Native
> >>>> American slaveowners and as former runaway
> slaves that were  assisted
> >>>> by,
> >>>> assimilated by, or married to members of
> the tribes)  accompanied the
> >>>> removed
> >>>> nations on the Trail of  Tears.
> >>>> In 1830, the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw,
> Muscogee  (Creek), and
> >>>> Seminole
> >>>> (sometimes collectively referred to as the
>  Five Civilized Tribes) were
> >>>> living as autonomous nations in what 
> would be called the American Deep
> >>>> South. The process of cultural 
> transformation (proposed by GEORGE
> >>>> WASHINGTON
> >>>> and  HENERY KNOX) was gaining momentum,
> especially among the Cherokee
> >>>> and
> >>>> Choctaw. Indian removal was first proposed
> by THOMAS  JEFFERSON. Andrew
> >>>> Jackson was the first U.S. President to 
> implement removal with the
> >>>> passage
> >>>> of the Indian  Removal Act of 1830. In
> 1831 the Choctaw were the first
> >>>> to
> >>>>  be
> >>>> removed, and they became the model for all
> other removals.  After the
> >>>> Choctaw, the Seminole were removed in
> 1832, the Creek in  1834, then the
> >>>> Chickasaw in 1837, and finally the
> Cherokee in  1838.
> >>>>
> >>>>  "I'll make my tax returns for
> the last
> >>>>  10 years public on here to show how much
> I've given to  charity if
> >>>> you'll
> >>>>  do the same."
> >>>>
> >>>> To  many pages to post, HOWEVER I'm
> Prepared to release my annual
> >>>> social
> >>>> security statement showing what I've
> earned in my lifetime  and will
> >>>> write
> >>>> in
> >>>> how many jobs I had to work to make  it
> along with what I gave to
> >>>> charity.(Care to  dance?)
> >>>>
> >>>> John Shulick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> 
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> >>
> >> Message:  5
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:46:42 -0500
> >> From: "Michael D. Weisner" 
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes 
> and those who reason only
> >> ...
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email  List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID: 
> <3CD9CB18A9874C7D9ADEC1084154C3DB at ebsoffice>
> >> Content-Type:  text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> >> reply-type=original
> >>
> >> Herb,
> >>
> >> What are you trying to say?  This  is an attempt
> to phonetically spell a
> >> foreign word, the name that they  were known as,
> not just a name that was
> >> applied to a location.
> >>
> >> You  guessed wrong.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue  River, NY
> >>
> >> From: "Herb Parsons"
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent:  Monday, November 10,
> >> 2008 9:50 AM
> >>> I'd say the indians didn't name  the
> reservation, so my guess would be
> >>> that the English spelling  works.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> >>>>  Herb,
> >>>>
> >>>> How is it that an English language
> spelling of a  non-English word can
> >>>> be
> >>>> said to be spelled  incorrectly?
> >>>>
> >>>> A simple review of documents pertaining 
> to the "Sissiton" through
> >>>> Google
> >>>> revealed the following treaty  with the
> Sioux (original scan of printed
> >>>> text)
> >>>>  regarding the "Sissiton Bands"
> in which both spellings are used on the
> >>>> same
> >>>> page of the document:
> >>>> 
> http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Kappler/vol2/pgimages/sio0956.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>>  Inconsistencies in translations of
> foreign words into common language
> >>>> seem
> >>>> to occur fairly often.  When in China,
> just  try to order Beijing Duck.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> s/v  Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> >>>>        Nissequogue  River, NY
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Herb Parsons" 
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November
> >>>> 10,
> >>>> 2008  8:36 AM
> >>>>
> >>>>> C'mon now, if a guy wants to get
> bent out  of shape over being born on
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> reservation and his treatment of  the
> "Injuns" by "the white man", then
> >>>>> can't spell the tribe's  name,
> I say an exception is certainly in
> >>>>> order.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>> At one  time we had a list member
> named Steve who had a problem  with
> >>>>>> spelling
> >>>>>> and grammar. At that  time it was
> determined that spelling and
> >>>>>>  grammatical
> >>>>>> errors were not fair game. It
> simply would  have been to easy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Rummy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In a message  dated 11/10/2008
> 1:27:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>>>>>  hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My  my  Slim, little overboard
> there, aren't  you?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nah, I don't REALLY want to  
> put my 1099 up. I figured John would bow
> >>>>>> out. He  did.
> >>>>>> You missed the  percentage, by a
> considerable  amount.
> >>>>>> I don't belong to a
> fundamentalist   church.
> >>>>>> The church I belong to doesn't
> really tell me to  do much of
> >>>>>> anything.
> >>>>>> I've been there a while, they 
> know that telling me what to do
> >>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>> work  well
> >>>>>> Probably about 1/2 of what we give
> to charity goes  to  our local
> >>>>>> church.
> >>>>>> There are  several other entities
> that we give to as  well.
> >>>>>>  Cheerleader? Wow. Because I ride
> with a group of guys that pay  their
> >>>>>> respects at funerals? And you call
> ME "a  bore".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think if you'll  reread  my
> post, I never said anything similar to
> >>>>>>  "the
> >>>>>> white man didn't  take it away
> from them". As a  matter of fact, I
> >>>>>> think
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> said just  the  opposite. They
> were defeated by a stronger enemy. Look
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> little closer to  home for the 
> idiot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't care to kiss your ass,
>  not really into  that, but feel free
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> invite what  guys you can find
> that are. And, I  don't care where you
> >>>>>> were
> >>>>>> born, you're still an idiot.
> If  you were born on  the Sisseton
> >>>>>> reservation in SD, I'd  figure
> you'd at least know the tribe  was
> >>>>>>  Sisseton
> >>>>>> not  Sissiton.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And, I never said anything  about
> fences,  but some tribes most
> >>>>>>  definitely
> >>>>>> had concepts of "land
> ownership". They   defended their hunting
> >>>>>> grounds
> >>>>>> against other tribes as  fiercely
> as the  white man defended their
> >>>>>>  fences.
> >>>>>> Two cultures clashed, the more
> advanced  of  the two prevailed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But, it's a moot  point. I was
> talking about the  founding fathers,
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>  the "white man" in
> general. The founding fathers  were not involved
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> breaking treaties, decimation of
> tribes, or the   spreading of
> >>>>>> smallpox.
> >>>>>> South Dakota was the still the 
> mostly unexplored  frontier, and I
> >>>>>> don't
> >>>>>> think they  (the founding fathers)
> had much exposure  to the  Sisseton
> >>>>>> tribe.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  And none of that has anything to
> do with John's  stupid statement
> >>>>>> about
> >>
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> "final  solution".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't have much in  the  way
> of charity or compassion for folks that
> >>>>>>  are
> >>>>>> long since gone. Not much  I can
> do for  them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Steven Alm  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Herb,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Do you have any  idea how
> much you sound like you're talking out
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>  ass?
> >>>>>>> Do you really want to put up
> your 1099 to show  off what you've
> >>>>>>> donated
> >>>>>>>  to
> >>>>>>> charity?   You're such a
> bore.  I'm  going to  guess that maybe you
> >>>>>>>  tithe
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> full 10% to your 
> fundamentalist church  because they tell you
> >>>>>>> to--out
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> false compassion.   And the
> money  goes to your church--not anything
> >>>>>>>  real.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Or
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> at best a  small  percentage. 
> I know you donate your time riding
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>> motorcycle  around for stuff
> but is that  actually giving?  You're a
> >>>>>>>   cheerleader.  Great.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As  for the Native Americans
> you  don't seem to have a grasp on
> >>>>>>>  history.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Just
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> because  the Injuns 
> didn't have a concept of land ownership or
> >>>>>>> fences
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  doesn't
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> mean  the  white man
> didn't take it away from them.  You're an
> >>>>>>> idiot.
> >>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>> Indians were living  in the
> stone-age and were decimated by the
> >>>>>>> white
> >>>>>>>  man
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  out
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> of greed  and arrogance. 
> There was no need for  that.  To say that
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>> simply met a stronger  enemy
> completely  usurps all that compassion
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>  charity that you espouse. 
> You're  full of shit!  I was born on  the
> >>>>>>> Sissiton
> >>>>>>> reservation in  South  Dakota
> and you can kiss my  ass!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Slim
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun,  Nov 9, 2008  at 10:36
> PM, John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >>>>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  "John,"
> >>>>>>>> (at least  you are capable
> of  starting a post properly by
> >>>>>>>> addressing
> >>>>>>>>  me
> >>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>  name. I  assumed you were
> ignorant at first but now I see  you're
> >>>>>>>> simply
> >>>>>>>>  rude.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Go screw  
> yourself."
> >>>>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that
> way anymore  perhaps you  could send a
> >>>>>>>> pic
> >>>>>>>>  of
> >>>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>>> you accomplish  it 
> yourself.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  "I've never
> offered anything like a ""final  
> solution"".
> >>>>>>>> You're reference
> reveals you for what  you  are."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (you  have no clue as to
> who or what I   am)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As far as me 
> "detesting" anyone, you again speak  from total
> >>>>>>>> ignorance.
> >>>>>>>> I'll make  a deal with
> you though, I'll make  my tax returns for
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> last
> >>>>>>>> 10 years  public on here
> to show how  much I've given to charity  if
> >>>>>>>> you'll
> >>>>>>>> do the   same.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (Do you recall  the
> parable of the pharisee and  the old woman who
> >>>>>>>> went
> >>>>>>>>  to
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> temple to  make 
> sacrifice?)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  You ready to put up? I
> doubt it. I suspect  the size of your mouth
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> exceeded mainly by your
> ego, and your   actions are far lacking
> >>>>>>>>  compared
> >>>>>>>> to   either.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (In the mouth  and ego
> department its no  contest you  win)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If the government 
> determines a need  for social charity programs,
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> should do so by 
> purchasing land  they need. Simple. If it's  too
> >>>>>>>> expensive, buy  
> elsewhere.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (that's  what is
> happening in this instance  so what's your
> >>>>>>>> problem)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As to your  notion about 
> "stealing it from the original owners",
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> land are you  talking 
> about? You'll have to be a little more
> >>>>>>>> specific.
> >>>>>>>> Some of  the  Indian
> tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of  "owning
> >>>>>>>> land".
> >>>>>>>>   Others regularly took
> land from each other by armed conflict. So,
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> "theft" was 
> actually their normally accepted means of  transfer,
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> simply were defeated by a
> stronger   enemy.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (like white men  with guns
> and smallpox infested  blankets? do the
> >>>>>>>> words
> >>>>>>>> "trail of 
> tears" mean anything to   you?)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  --
> >>>>>>>> View this  message in 
> context:
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 6
> >> Date: Mon,  10 Nov 2008 09:46:51 -0600
> >> From: "ben" 
> <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  my last word on the
> election
> >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'"
>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID: 
> <000601c9434b$8e17c360$aa474a20$@com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;  
> charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> That was very close
> >> Haiku is a fine art  form
> >> The first line needs work
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original  Message-----
> >> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On
> Behalf Of stan
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:53
> >> To: The Rhodes  22 mail list
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] my last word on the 
> election
> >>
> >> We Americans have not changed
> >>
> >> we still  rely on black folk
> >>
> >> to clean up our  mess
> >>
> >>
> >> ss
> >> __________________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  7
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:56:17 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: Just bent  <j.bulfer at jbtek.com>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  question about 
> electricity
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <20422568.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy weather.
>  Had a great day. When
> >> we
> >> got back to the dock, when you touch the boat, you
>  would get shocked. I
> >> unhooked the battery & still got shocked. Was
> it  static electricity from
> >> the
> >> storm?
> >> Jb
> >>
> >> Jb 
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >> --
> >> View this  message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20422568.html
> >> Sent  from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at 
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  8
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:13:26 -0500
> >> From: "Ron Singerman" 
> <sail at tds.net>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] St Petersburg boat show.
> For  stan
> >> To: "Rhodes list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID: 
> <D1D6AAF915EB4FEE9B55C76F6D2FFE4C at computer>
> >> Content-Type:  text/plain;   
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> stan,
> >>
> >> Will you be  represented at the St Pete show?
> >>
> >> Fair winds and following  seas,
> >>
> >>>>ron<<
> >> S/V  Serenity
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 9
> >> Date: Mon,  10 Nov 2008 11:15:03 EST
> >> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] question about
> electricity
> >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <cb9.3c17dc54.3649b807 at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; 
> charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >> JB,
> >>
> >> Yes, what you experienced is static  electricity.
> It wasn't caused by the
> >> storms, but it is a natural  phenomenon that has
> been discussed previously
> >> on
> >>
> >> this forum many  years ago. Your boat is basically
> a "plastic" boat. You
> >> have
> >>
> >> plastic  sails and metal thrown in for good
> measure. The sails are the
> >> most
> >> likely culprit and the fiberglass and the rest of
> the boat are the
> >> storage
> >> battery. The shock is even more noticeable when
> bare skin is  involved,
> >> like
> >> a  bare
> >> belly hanging over a rail. That will really  get
> your attention, even when
> >> drunk.
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a  message dated 11/10/2008 10:57:29 A.M.
> Eastern Standard Time,
> >> j.bulfer at jbtek.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> Went  sailing yesterday in  somewhat stormy
> weather. Had a great day. When
> >> we
> >> got  back to the  dock, when you touch the boat,
> you would get shocked.  I
> >> unhooked the  battery & still got shocked. Was
> it static electricity  from
> >> the
> >> storm?
> >> Jb
> >>
> >> Jb  
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >> --
> >> View  this  message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20422568.html
> >> Sent   from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at 
>  Nabble.com.
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
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> >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  10
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:20:07 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: Tootle  <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  question about  shocking
> Rhodes 22's
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <20423031.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Jay:
> >>
> >> You are not the first to experience  this! 
> Several years ago, Carol Nixon
> >> of
> >> Colorado had that very  problem.  She does not
> usually respond to this
> >> list
> >> although she is  still shown in the digested
> listing.
> >>
> >> You might want to contact  her to find out what
> she did.  We referred to
> >> her
> >> as lady with  shocking Rhodes 22.
> >>
> >> I posted pictures of her and her boat last 
> spring.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just bent wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Went  sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy
> weather. Had a great day. When
> >>> we  got back to the dock, when you touch the
> boat, you would get shocked.
> >>> I
> >>> unhooked the battery & still got shocked.
> Was it static  electricity from
> >>> the storm?
> >>> Jb
> >>>
> >>> Jb 
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >>> 
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >>> 
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >>> 
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20423031.html
> >> Sent  from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at 
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  11
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:22:46 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: Tootle  <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  Sailboats with  water in
> desert...
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <20423082.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Imagine, sailboats with water in the desert.  
> Maybe that is where all
> >> Rummy's
> >> water is?
> >>
> >> Nice pictures.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> quote author="Just bent">
> >> Went sailing  yesterday in somewhat stormy
> weather. Had a great day. When
> >> we
> >> got back to  the dock, when you touch the boat,
> you would get shocked. I
> >> unhooked the  battery & still got shocked. Was
> it static electricity from
> >> the
> >> storm?
> >> Jb
> >>
> >> Jb 
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View  this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20423082.html
> >> Sent  from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at 
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  12
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:25:00 EST
> >> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about
> shocking  Rhodes 22's
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <d4e.3e7b8fe7.3649ba5c at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; 
> charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >> Jay,
> >> The last time we discussed this, I actually  took
> a volt meter and
> >> measured
> >> 22 volts. I took the measurement from  the
> offending rail and grounded the
> >> negative end to the outboard  which was in the
> water. The meter went to
> >> 22/23
> >>
> >> volts and then  almost instantly disappeared.
> Waiting a few minutes
> >> produced
> >> the
> >> same results. Since our boats are all 12 volt
> systems with 110 volt thrown
> >> in
> >> occasionally, it ruled out any source within the
> boat. The  amperage was
> >> really
> >> low, so it was more of a nuisance shock than
> anything  dangerous.
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:20:30 A.M. 
> Eastern Standard Time,
> >> ekroposki at charter.net  writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> Jay:
> >>
> >> You are not the first to experience this!  
> Several  years ago, Carol
> >> Nixon of
> >> Colorado had that very  problem.  She does  not
> usually respond to this
> >> list
> >> although she  is still shown in the  digested
> listing.
> >>
> >> You might want to  contact her to find out what 
> she did.  We referred to
> >> her
> >> as  lady with shocking Rhodes 22.
> >>
> >> I  posted pictures of her and her  boat last
> spring.
> >>
> >> Ed  K
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just bent wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Went sailing yesterday in  somewhat stormy
> weather. Had a great  day.
> >>> When
> >>> we got back to the  dock, when you touch the
> boat, you  would get
> >>> shocked. I
> >>> unhooked the  battery & still got 
> shocked. Was it static electricity
> >>> from
> >>> the  storm?
> >>>  Jb
> >>>
> >>> Jb  
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >>>  
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >>>  
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >>>  
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20423031.html
> >> Sent   from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at 
>  Nabble.com.
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
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> >> other
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  13
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:25:33 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: Tootle  <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  When you are  dealing
> with Democrats, think
> >> of this ...
> >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <20423136.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> When you are dealing with Democrats,  think of 
> this:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
> >> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
> >>
> >> Ed  K
> >> --
> >> View this message in context: 
> http://www.nabble.com/When-you-are-d
> >>
> ealing-with-Democrats%2C-think-of-this-...-tp20423136p20423136.html
> >> Sent  from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at 
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  14
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:30:42 EST
> >> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] When you are dealing
> with  Democrats,
> >> think of this ...
> >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <c61.3c981885.3649bbb2 at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; 
> charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >> Ed,
> >> Must have been all republicans beneath him.  Sure
> was a waste of a good
> >> drink
> >> though.  :)
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:26:28 A.M.
> Eastern  Standard Time,
> >> ekroposki at charter.net  writes:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
> >> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
> >>
> >>
> >> **************AOL  Search: Your one stop for
> directions, recipes and all
> >> other
> >> Holiday needs.  Search Now.
> >>
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http:
> >>
> //searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from
> >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  15
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:46:21 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: John Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] When you are  dealing
> with Democrats,
> >> think of this ...
> >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <20423560.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Ed,
> >>
> >> Amusing. And you thought democrats  don't
> believe in "Trickle Down
> >> Economics"
> >>
> >> John  Shulick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/09/2008-11-09_councilman_vows
> >> _to_quit_alcohol_after_pu.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/When-you-are-dealing-with-Democrats%2C-think-of-this-...-tp20423136p20423560.html
> >> Sent  from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at 
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  16
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:56:20 EST
> >> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (Humor) Banister of 
> Life...
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <ca8.39793310.3649c1b4 at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; 
> charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As You  Slide  Down the Banister of Life,
> Remember:
> >>
> >> 1. Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggert  have written an
> impressive  new book.
> >> It's
> >> called .........  'Ministers Do More Than Lay 
> People.'
> >>
> >> 2. Transvestite: A guy who  likes to eat, drink
> and be  Mary.
> >>
> >> 3. The difference between the  Pope and your boss,
> the Pope only  expects
> >> you
> >> to kiss his  ring.
> >>
> >> 4. My mind works like lightning, One  brilliant
> flash and it  is gone.
> >>
> >> 5. The only time the world beats a  path to your
> door is  if you're in the
> >> bathroom.
> >>
> >> 6. I hate sex in the  movies. Tried  it once. The
> seat folded up, the
> >> drink
> >> spilled and that ice,  well,  it really chilled
> the mood.
> >>
> >> 7. It used to be only death and  taxes  were
> inevitable Now, of course,
> >> there's shipping and handling,   too.
> >>
> >> 8. A husband is someone who, after taking the
> trash out,  gives  the
> >> impression that he just cleaned the whole house.
> >>
> >> 9.  My next house  will have no kitchen - just
> vending machines and a
> >> large
> >> trash  can.
> >>
> >> 10. A blonde said, 'I was worried that my
> mechanic  might try to  rip me
> >> off.
> >> I was relieved when he told me all I needed  was
> turn signal  fluid.'
> >>
> >> 11. My neighbor was bit by a stray rabid  dog. I
> went to see  how he was
> >> and
> >> found him writing frantically on a  piece of
> paper.
> >> I told  him rabies could be treated, and he
> didn't  have to worry about a
> >> Will.
> >> He said, 'Will? What Will? I'm  making a
> list of the people I want to
> >> bite.'
> >>
> >> 12. Definition of a  teenager?  God's
> punishment... for  enjoying sex.
> >>
> >> 13. As you  slide down the banister of life, may
> the  splinters never
> >> point
> >> the  wrong way.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **************AOL  Search: Your one stop for
> directions, recipes and all
> >> other
> >> Holiday needs.  Search Now.
> >>
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http:
> >>
> //searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from
> >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  17
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:57:03 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: John Shulick  <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about 
> shocking Rhodes 22's
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Message-ID:  <20423781.post at talk.nabble.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >>
> >> Rummy,
> >>
> >> Was there a consensus reached about  electrical
> grounding on a sailboat?
> >> I've
> >> given the matter some thought and  could make an
> argument either way but
> >> would appreciate any input from more  experienced
> people such as yourself.
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >> John  Shulick
> >>
> >>
> >> R22RumRunner wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jay,
> >>> The last  time we discussed this, I actually
> took a volt meter and
> >>> measured
> >>
> >>> 22 volts. I took the measurement from the
> offending rail and grounded
> >>> the
> >>> negative end to the outboard which was in the
> water. The  meter went to
> >>> 22/23
> >>> volts and then almost instantly  disappeared.
> Waiting a few minutes
> >>> produced the
> >>> same  results. Since our boats are all 12 volt
> systems with 110 volt
> >>> thrown
> >>>  in
> >>> occasionally, it ruled out any source within
> the boat. The  amperage was
> >>> really
> >>>  low, so it was more of a nuisance  shock than
> anything dangerous.
> >>>
> >>> Rummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 11:20:30 A.M.
> Eastern  Standard Time,
> >>> ekroposki at charter.net writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jay:
> >>>
> >>> You are not the first to experience this!  
> Several  years ago, Carol
> >>> Nixon
> >>> of
> >>> Colorado had that very  problem.  She does 
> not usually respond to this
> >>> list
> >>>  although she is still shown in the  digested
> listing.
> >>>
> >>> You might want to contact her to find out what
>  she did.   We referred to
> >>> her
> >>> as lady with shocking Rhodes 22.
> >>>
> >>> I  posted pictures of her and her boat last
> spring.
> >>>
> >>> Ed  K
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Just bent  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Went sailing yesterday in  somewhat 
> stormy weather. Had a great day.
> >>>> When
> >>>> we got back to the   dock, when you touch
> the boat, you would get
> >>>> shocked.
> >>>>  I
> >>>> unhooked the  battery & still got
> shocked. Was it  static electricity
> >>>> from
> >>>> the  storm?
> >>>>  Jb
> >>>>
> >>>> Jb  
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >>>>  
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >>>>  
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >>>>  
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> View this message in context:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20423031.html
> >>>  Sent  from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive
> at   Nabble.com.
> >>>
> >>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>> To   subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with
> using the mailing list go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  **************AOL Search: Your one stop for
> directions, recipes and  all
> >>> other
> >>> Holiday needs. Search Now.
> >>>
> >>
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from
> >>>  -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
> >>> 
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-question-about-shocking-Rhodes-22%27s-tp20423177p20423781.html
> >> Sent  from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at 
> Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message:  18
> >> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:58:09 -0500
> >> From: "Michael D. Weisner" 
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] question about 
> electricity
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" 
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Message-ID: 
> <B61F6996D13A4BA09C617101740CF42D at ebsoffice>
> >> Content-Type:  text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> >> reply-type=original
> >>
> >> Jb,
> >>
> >> The first pic is just fabulous!   For an northeast
> boater, the
> >> foothills/mountains show that it is not like  any
> water that we sail in
> >> here
> >> on the LI Sound.  Beautiful - and the  water still
> feels wet and you can
> >> sail
> >> on the stuff?  Here, boats are  hauled and
> wrapped, the leaves have nearly
> >> all fallen (we did have one of  the prettiest
> autumns in years) ...  Now
> >> if
> >> only we could sail on  snow!
> >>
> >> As far as static electricity accumulating on the
> hull goes, it is
> >> probably
> >> due to the lack of humidity.  Just as it occurs on
>  airplanes, the winds
> >> redistribute electrons, causing a charge to build
> up  on the insulated
> >> (fiberglass) hull.  The simplest way to remedy
> this  is to provide a
> >> leakage
> >> path to the water.  All conductive metal  objects
> (motor housing, rails,
> >> mast, rigging, etc.) should be connected  together
> via a small wire (no
> >> real
> >> current is involved) and terminated at  a fixture
> that is exposed to the
> >> water.  Care should be taken to make  connection
> to the water away from
> >> gasoline vapors (not at the motor or  mount) and
> using a "sacrificial
> >> anode",
> >> something that you would not miss,  as it may be
> consumed by galvanic
> >> corrosion in the process of transferring  the
> charge.  See
> >> http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/23.htm
> >>
> >> The creation of static  electricity in this manner
> has been a real problem
> >> in
> >> biking (bicycles)  due to the use of nylon suits
> and composite helmets.
> >> Some
> >> people  have had good results using antistatic
> preparations such as fabric
> >> softeners to solve the problem.  While treating
> the hull with wax
> >> increases
> >> the static generation ability, applying fabric
> softener  solutions may
> >> reduce
> >> the generated potential, although the combination
> may  cause an unsafe,
> >> very
> >> slippery surface.
> >>
> >> You need to find a way to  harness the potential
> energy that you have
> >> created
> >> rather than just  discharge it.  How about a
> static electricity motor - I
> >> think that  John Galt knew something about this
> ...
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer  ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> From: "Just bent" 
> <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008
> >> 10:56
> >>
> >> AM
> >>>
> >>> Went sailing yesterday in somewhat stormy
> weather. Had  a great day. When
> >>> we
> >>> got back to the dock, when you touch the 
> boat, you would get shocked. I
> >>> unhooked the battery & still got  shocked.
> Was it static electricity from
> >>> the
> >>> storm?
> >>>  Jb
> >>>
> >>> Jb 
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01925.jpeg
> >>> 
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01927.jpeg
> >>> 
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01930.jpeg
> >>> 
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20422568/DSC01931.jpeg
> >>> --
> >>> View  this message in context:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/question-about-electricity-tp20422568p20422568.html
> >>>  Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive
> at Nabble.com.
> >>>
> >>> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>> To  subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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