[Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 23 21:16:48 EST 2008


Yea..but some people nurse that shot for a long time.

Didn't I ever tell you about Bennie & Edward, my 16-year-old 6th graders when I taught in WVA?

elle

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Sun, 11/23/08, R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:

> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:02 PM
> Brad,
> Funny thing about education, you only get one shot at it.
>  
>  Rummy
>  
>  
> In a message dated 11/23/2008 8:42:39 P.M. Eastern Standard
> Time,  
> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
> 
> Herb,
> 
> Speaking from my own experience, there are good public 
> schools and bad
> ones.  I was fortunate to go to a good one, well  funded
> (thank you
> Chicago for sending your tax dollars down state), with 
> lot's of
> parental involvement (I've already told the story here
> about my  dad
> making asses out of the school board in public).  When my
> oldest  was
> ready to start school in Little Rock it was a no brainer. 
> He went  to
> private schools from K-12. My second went to both.  Cora is
> now  in
> public school and we couldn't be happier, so far. My
> bitch with  the
> public school system all along is why is the Federal 
> 'gubment'
> involved for any reason?
> 
> Obama has mouthed lot's of  answers about education and
> spent lot's of
> other folks money on  experiments, but isn't willing to
> put at risk his
> own daughters (article  attached).  I admire he and
> Michelle for using
> their resources to  their children's best advantage. 
> He obviously
> feels the same way I do  about education.
> 
> Brad
> 
> -------------------
> 
> The Obamas Walk  Away from Public Schools
> 
> Posted By Andrew J. Coulson On November 21,  2008 @ 9:06 pm
> In
> Education and Child Policy | Comments Disabled
> 
> A  few months ago, Barack Obama told a gathering of the
> American
> Federation of  Teachers that he opposes private school
> choice programs,
> adding: "We need  to focus on fixing and improving our
> public schools;
> [1] not throwing our  hands up and walking away from
> them."
> 
> It's not clear whether or not the  president-elect will
> be able to fix
> our public schools, and I don't know if  he's
> thrown up his hands, but
> he and his two daughters have just walked  away from the
> public
> schools. Again. When they move from Chicago to D.C.,  Malia
> and Sasha
> Obama will be moving from the prestigious private Lab 
> School [2] to
> the prestigious private Sidwell Friends school — Chelsea 
> Clinton's old
> stomping ground.
> 
> Not that there's anything wrong with  that. In fact,
> it's wonderful
> that the Obamas had such a broad range of  public and
> private school
> choices available to them. What's puzzling is  that the
> president-elect
> opposes programs that would bring that same easy  choice of
> schools
> within reach of families who lack his personal wealth. By 
> his actions,
> Senator Obama is demonstrating that he is not willing to
> wait  for his
> own policy prescriptions to "fix and improve"
> public schools, but  he
> expects folks with less ample bank accounts to patiently
> await  his
> hoped-for change.
> 
> And while many reports will no doubt trumpet  the $25,000+
> tuition at
> Sidwell Friends, implying that this is  extravagantly
> beyond what is
> spent in D.C. public schools, they will be  mistaken. As I
> wrote in the
> [3] Washington Post and [4] on this blog, D.C.  public
> schools also
> spent about $25,000 per child in the 2007-08 school  year.
> 
> It's not that president-elect Obama is against spending
> a lot of  money
> on other people's kids — he's just against
> letting their  parents
> choose where that money is spent.
> 
> Article printed from Cato  @ Liberty:
> http://www.cato-at-liberty.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008  at 6:46 PM, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >  Interesting. Please do note, MY position is that both
> the educational
> >  community (primarily the administrative, but the
> teachers themselves  are
> > also part of the problem), and the parents share fault
> in the  current
> > situation. Is it really your position that the
> educational  community
> > shares no blame in this mess?
> >
> > elle  wrote:
> >> Herb,
> >>
> >> Yep, we are on opposite sides  this
> time...'seeing' the school system from 
> whatever angles and being in the  employ for two
> doesn't hold a candle to 
> every day for 33 years, in three  different levels
> (elementary, jr high (I 
> high-tailed it out of there to the  high school when they
> went to the 
> middle-school-hormone-hell model) & high  school.
> >>
> >> Ya gotta have the shoes on in order to walk  that
> mile...
> >>
> >> elle
> >>
> >>
> >>  We can't change the angle of the wind....but
> we can adjust our  sails.
> >>
> >> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  
> "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
> >>
> >>
> >> ---  On Sun, 11/23/08, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Herb Parsons 
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh  My God!
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" 
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Date: Sunday, November 23,  2008, 6:31 PM
> >>> Well elle, we're going to have to disagree
> on  this one.
> >>> I pay school
> >>> taxes, thus I DO have a  "dog in this
> hunt". I
> >>> also had 4 children in
> >>>  various public and private schools over the
> years, and I
> >>> did  in fact
> >>> spend two years in the employ of a local
> school  district.
> >>> I've seen the
> >>> system from just about  every angle possible.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> elle  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sorry, Herb. You know not of which  you
> speak. In fact,
> >>>>
> >>> you acknowledge it at  the beginning when you
> >>> said,"Actually, I think  ..."
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You may  analyze,think, suppose and
> assume, burt  unless
> >>>>
> >>> you spent the years from 1969-2002  in an
> elementary, junior
> >>> high and high school classroom, with  upwards
> of 120 vastly
> >>> differing 'entitled' students of all 
> colors,
> >>> backgrounds, attitudes, and watched the
> society change  from
> >>> the kid needing correction (being able to
> paddle (which  was
> >>> allowed) to the teacher needs correction 
> ("you
> >>> embarrassed my child when he had no
> homework....")  you
> >>> really have no dog in this  hunt.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  elle
> >>>>
> >>>> BYW....FYI   I'm at -6  on the
> "Life
> >>>>
> >>> Sucks-O-Meter" so be  forwarned and
> forarmed...;^)
> >>>
> >>>> We can't  change the angle of the
> wind....but we
> >>>>
> >>> can  adjust our sails.
> >>>
> >>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 
> "WaterMusic"
> >>>>
> >>> (Lady in  Red)
> >>>
> >>>> --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Herb  Parsons
> >>>>
> >>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Herb Parsons 
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Oh My God!
> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email  List"
> >>>>
> >>>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>
> >>>> Date:  Saturday, November 22, 2008, 11:42
> PM
> >>>>
> >>>>  Actually, I think it's a combination
> of  multiple
> >>>>
> >>> issues. Let's face  it,
> >>>
> >>>> if the educational lobby concentrated  as
> hard on
> >>>>
> >>> issues like the one  you
> >>>
> >>>> just mentioned as they do on  increasing
> funding,
> >>>>
> >>> increasing the size  of
> >>>
> >>>> their bureaucracy, protecting  incompetent
> >>>>
> >>> "educators", etc.,  those
> >>>
> >>>> laws
> >>>> likely  would never have been passed.
> >>>>
> >>>> At the  same time, if we as parents, were
> more  involved
> >>>>
> >>> in  the
> >>>
> >>>> educational process of our children,  most
> of us would
> >>>>
> >>> be surprised  at
> >>>
> >>>> exactly what we can do. However, in the 
> relative
> >>>>
> >>> vaccumn of  parental
> >>>
> >>>> involvement, the bureaucracies  have
> thrived like a
> >>>>
> >>> fungus, and  we've
> >>>
> >>>> ended up where we are  now.
> >>>>
> >>>> As Brad alluded to, that's one of  the
> reasons we
> >>>>
> >>> see people making  the
> >>>
> >>>> sacrifices they make to keep their  kids
> in private
> >>>>
> >>> schools where  there
> >>>
> >>>> the bureaucratic mess is mitigated.  And
> I'm not
> >>>>
> >>> talking about  the
> >>>
> >>>> wealthy, who put their kids in private 
> school without
> >>>>
> >>> thought or  effort.
> >>>
> >>>> I'm talking about the working  class
> Joe that makes
> >>>>
> >>> real  sacrifices
> >>>
> >>>> because they've been scared off  by
> the mess that
> >>>>
> >>> public school has  become.
> >>>
> >>>> elle  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Read  the papers, Herb.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Educators  haven't 'turned
> over'
> >>>>>
> >>> discipline; it  has been  ripped
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>  out of their control by laws and
> regulations  and
> >>>>
> >>>  lawsuits.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>  Don't tax yourself by making this
> too  hard;
> >>>>>
> >>> just concentrate  on
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>  looking up the laws regulating the
> disciplining  of
> >>>>
> >>> special ed  students.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>  You might want to add in the students
> on  probation
> >>>>>
> >>> who are sent back  to
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>  school by naive  judges.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> That's  a fun mix to have in the
> classroom: a
> >>>>>
> >>>  kid who knows  you
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>  can't do anything to him & a kid
> who
> >>>>
> >>>  doesn't care what is done to
> >>>
> >>>>  him.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Oh..add a  few who don't speak 
> English.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Great atmosphere  for readin'
> &
> >>>>>
> >>>  writin'.
> >>>
> >>>>>  elle
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We can't change the angle  of the
> wind....but
> >>>>>
> >>> we can adjust our  sails.
> >>>
> >>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22    Recyc '06
> >>>>>
> >>> "WaterMusic"    (Lady in Red)
> >>>
> >>>>> --- On Sat, 11/22/08,  Herb Parsons
> >>>>>
> >>>  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>  From: Herb Parsons
> >>>>>>
> >>>  <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>
> >>>>>>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oh
> My God!
> >>>>>> To: "The  Rhodes 22 Email 
> List"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>  Date: Saturday, November 22,
> 2008, 9:42 PM
> >>>>>> Isn't  it amazing how much
> educators have
> >>>>>>
> >>>  turned over
> >>>
> >>>>>> discipline  to
> >>>>>> "professionals" so they 
> can
> >>>>>>
> >>> "concentrate  on
> >>>
> >>>>>> educating"; yet the  overall
> >>>>>> education level is  declining?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brad  Haslett  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Herb,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It all  reminds me of an
> incident that
> >>>>>>>
> >>>  happened  about
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  two weeks  ago
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  (and a similar incident 2
> decades ago  when
> >>>>>>>
> >>> my  older
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  boys  were
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  youngsters).  One of
> Fan's friends,  a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>  Filipino
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  lady who husband  was
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  making rounds as Doc on a 
> Saturday
> >>>>>>>
> >>> morning, made  the
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  mistake  of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  leaving her five year-old
> with me for  the
> >>>>>>>
> >>> morning  so
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  they could  go
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  shopping.  I couldn't
> wait for  their
> >>>>>>>
> >>> car to  hit
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  the end of  the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  driveway.  When they
> returned,  Momma
> >>>>>>>
> >>> Filipino asked  me
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  how  "little
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  shithead" and I got
> along.   "Oh,
> >>>>>>>
> >>> just  fine,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  he's a sweet kid".  
> I'm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  assuming he was still too
> scared to  tell
> >>>>>>>
> >>> mom how  I
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  picked him up  by
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  his britches (therefore
> scrunching  what
> >>>>>>>
> >>> little nuts  he
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  had) to have  a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  'mano-a-mano' talk at
> eye  level.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>  These
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  gutless wonders who call  cops
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  for silly shit they should
> handle  real
> >>>>>>>
> >>> time not  only
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  amaze me,  but
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  piss me off.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  And you wonder why people
> work two jobs  to
> >>>>>>>
> >>> send  their
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  kids to  a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  private school where they can
> be  kicked
> >>>>>>>
> >>> out in  a
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  heartbeat?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Brad
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat,  Nov 22, 2008 at 5:55
> PM, Herb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>  Parsons
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  <hparsons at parsonsys.com> 
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  I read that one too, and
> was  all
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> prepared to  be
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  outraged as  well;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  however, I think this is
> a case  of
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>  creating
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  "attention  grabbing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  headlines". I
> suspect that  the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> kid  turning
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  off the computers of  those
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  around him during the
> computer  class
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> was the  real
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  disruption that  got
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  him in trouble. If you
> isolate  the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> two, it  makes
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  it pretty  apparent.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  If he was ONLY turning
> off  computers
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>  during
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  computer class, would  he
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  have been disciplined -
> most likely
> >>>>>>>> If he  was ONLY
> "passing
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> wind"  during
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  class, would have been 
> disciplined
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  - probably  not
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If  the last one was the
> case  though,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> THEN it  would
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  have made for  a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  really interesting story.
> Right  up
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> there with  the
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  ones about 5 year  olds
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  being disciplined for 
> "sexual
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  harrassment" for kissing 
> girls.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Now THAT was an art form
> when I was  a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> kid  :)
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Brad Haslett  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  Good thing they
> finally  busted
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> this  kid.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Imagine, if you let  this
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  kind of thing go on 
> he'd
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> eventually end  of
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Governor of some  state
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  ignoring the
> slaughter  of
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>  Thanksgiving
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  turkeys. In my family, 
> "passing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  gas" was
> considered an  art
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> form  and
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  I've always been a 
> competitive
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  person.  Thank
> goodness my  school
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> teachers  had
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  a sense of humor -  at
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  least I'd like to
> think  they
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>  did.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>  Brad
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> 
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1121083gas1.html
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> 
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> >>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  --
> >>>>>>>> Herb  Parsons
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>  --
> >>>>>> Herb  Parsons
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> 
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> >>>>
> >>>  --
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> >>>
> >>> 
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